GUILTY UK - Joanna Yeates, 25, Clifton, Bristol, 17 Dec 2010 #16

[Clio]

Because he'd read someone's scenario on Websleuths LOL

Noooooo.......

 

[edgedweller]

Nigel Lickley would've been proud today

I asked my nearly 7-yr old son:
"What do you think would happen to someone if you put your hand around their neck and squeezed?"

Pause.

"Die".

(I rest my case!)

 

[Clio]

Yes, going by how I was at 25 (although admittedly I was/am not as sporty as Jo!), there's no way I would've started baking on a Friday night when I was tired from work, had the remnants of a cold and hadn't eaten for nearly 8 hours.

Me neither.

The thing that knocks this theory though is why was her apron in the hall? I wouldn't put an apron on to put a pizza in the oven but I would put one on to bake....ullhair:

 

[Luna15]

im sure this nutjob was already in the flat and hidden in the bedroom, its the only story that makes any sense to me, i reckon he got it wrong and thought they were both going to be away, none of the other scenario's work for me, no freaking way did she let him in, i cant even get a hello out of my neighbour of simalar age to jo after a year of living here! jo did what she had to do when arriving home and after a while walked into the bedroom to put her earings away, and then bam! he was hid in there, the screams start, he panics, tries to stop the screams, takes his hand away shes still screaming as you would expect so in his mind he had no option, which is why it is a mistake in his head and im sure he is actually fusing real events into what actually happened but is leaving out the embarrassing for him bits. im sure at somepoint it will come out he had access to keys or had copies. the case may be over real soon but i can see lots more revelations surfacing after this sorry court case let him get away with that pointless effort in the dock, friends family will want to know, im sure more will come out soon that was dismissed as evidence :banghead:

kudos goes to neurotripsy for going to the public gallery! why didnt i think of that! im only up the road! :rocker:

thanks all for a great place to share our thoughts on this horrendus waste of life, you guys rock!

I totally agree with you, him already being in the flat is the only scenario that I can get to nearly fit. GR & JY had only been in the flat for 7 weeks, I’m sure when the last tenants moved out there were some repairs/decoration or suchlike to be seen to – even cleaning. CJ spent a lot of time abroad – would he have entrusted VT or TM with the keys to let in workmen or suchlike? How well did VT & TM get on with the previous tenants? Had they entrusted them with a key at any point? Did VT notice where they kept the spare one outside? All these things are probably classed as ‘supposition’ and I don’t think they would be able to be presented in court, I did wonder if the Judge developed one of his nervous twitches at this point [stevenmorris20 steven morris Judge says Tabak "gained access" to Yeates' flat and killed her. < [twitterers speechmarks not mine]... I think a lot more will come out after the trial – there are too many pieces of the puzzle missing for us to get a full picture.

Anyone who doubts how easy it is to get into a locked house, enter ‘key bumping’ into youtube search or google it.

I cannot understand why JY’s keys were found in her bag on the dining table if she had come in and locked herself in, and we all know how VT likes to ‘cover himself’ – no way do I believe he had the presence of mind to leave that door on the latch, I believe he could have fled the scene in shock immediately afterwards, how did he know that someone hadn’t heard the screams and were coming to investigate? No way did he leave that door on the latch for her to be discovered...

 

[Luna15]

afterthought....

I know I read an article where two of the previous tenants said how CJ would come into the flat when they wasn't there - how do they know it was him? and not someone else.... poor ol' CJ; we've seen how VT is prepared to land him in the stew to cover his own tracks

 

[Clio]

stevenmorris20 steven morris
Judge sends Tabak jury off to resume its deliberations. Says he wants them to try to reach unanimous verdict. Tabak denies murder.

9 minutes ago

 

[veggiefan]

afterthought....

I know I read an article where two of the previous tenants said how CJ would come into the flat when they wasn't there - how do they know it was him? and not someone else.... poor ol' CJ; we've seen how VT is prepared to land him in the stew to cover his own tracks

According to the report in the Mirror, they knew it was CJ "because he walked in unannounced".

However, the report is anonymous and the Mirror later admitted (after being sued) that the allegations they published about Mr Jefferies (including that he invaded the privacy of his tenants) were entirely untrue. They paid over a considerable sum to CJ for this and other libels.

 

[veggiefan]

I don't think it has been mentioned here, but earlier this month CJ gave what I think is his only interview to the press (for the Financial Times Magazine). It may make interesting reading while we wait for the verdict:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/22eac290-eee2-11e0-959a-00144feab49a.html

 

[goldielox]

Because he'd read someone's scenario on Websleuths LOL

It wouldn't surprise me. If he was googling stuff about Jo he'll have come across forums discussing the case. Its how I found this site and a couple of others at the time.

 

[stmarysmead]

I live on a small country acreage and as I am frequently alone, I am religious about double locking my doors...so much so, that, on the weekends, I often accidentally lock my husband out while he is doing yard work.

A few months ago, on a day I was rushed to get to a meeting, I could not find one of the dogs to bring him in. Finally I got him inside, and I was flustered as I left. I came home to find that I had left the door... open.

I have thought of this incident in my life from the start. Everyone who knows me would say I am obsessive about locking doors. But in that chaotic moment...

Greg had a bit of a commotion getting started on his journey. Did he run back to the apartment to get the cables to jump-start the car or to make a call to get assistance from the neighbor? Then run out to start the car...and just leave?

Did VT , bored and at loose ends, find the door open and the apartment available to him as he was poking around outside? Did he decide to look around the bedroom, start rummaging through her things? Was he taking JY's underwear as a sexual "memento" when she came home and , as she settled in...suddenly, there they were, face to face?

 

[goldielox]

Me neither.

The thing that knocks this theory though is why was her apron in the hall? I wouldn't put an apron on to put a pizza in the oven but I would put one on to bake....ullhair:

I agree. She was heating up the oven for the pizza, not to start baking.

Conjuring up an image of feminine domestication in the form of baking on the night she was attacked is being used for effect by the prosecution but with no basis IMO.

 

[Sammyme]

Also you would expect that the professor's 24 hour cctv tape that covered the entrance to canynge road would have caught Jo and the exact time she turned into her own road. Also the silver megane may have been caught on that cctv coming and going that night.

Yes, that's something I have been wondering about. Haven't seen it mentioned in the reports from court or indeed anywhere else. So it doesn't appear to have been used in court. However they agreed without it that she arrived home at 8 40 pm.

 

[goldielox]

I cannot understand why JY’s keys were found in her bag on the dining table if she had come in and locked herself in, and we all know how VT likes to ‘cover himself’ – no way do I believe he had the presence of mind to leave that door on the latch, I believe he could have fled the scene in shock immediately afterwards, how did he know that someone hadn’t heard the screams and were coming to investigate? No way did he leave that door on the latch for her to be discovered...

It's a valid point however, whilst we know from GR that they were both prone to lock (and double lock) the door whilst in the house, I don't believe he said what they usually did with the keys afterwards. Maybe she would put hers in her bag as a habit afterwards so she'd always know where to find them. I'm not so organised - I'll put mine down anywhere.

If I'm rushing for the loo as I come home I'm prone to throwing them down anywhere. If really rushing I wouldn't pause to lock the door en route to the loo either.

I also have a cat. With no cat-flap I have to open a door or window to let her in or out. She's in and out as though she's attached to the house on a piece of elastic some days too. I don't "properly" lock up until I decide the cat's been out enough and is now inside for the night.

Regardless, we'll never know how he did get inside that night, but I tend to sway towards the simpler scenario than one of him picking a lock - she opened the door herself, either to him or for the cat.

 

[goldielox]

Yes, that's something I have been wondering about. Haven't seen it mentioned in the reports from court or indeed anywhere else. So it doesn't appear to have been used in court. However they agreed without it that she arrived home at 8 40 pm.

What time did the vicar claim he had the "its slippy/icy" convo with her?

 

[Sammyme]

I find it really hard to believe he was in the flat before she got home. There were no signs of forced entry and I can't see a credible reason why he would have a set of keys. And if he did have a set of keys, why put the door on the latch whilst taking her body to his flat before going back for the pizza? (If that's really what happened of course)



If he was going to come up with such a story, why on earth say he was chatting for only 10 minutes before trying to kiss her......maybe because 10 minutes was all he could fit into the timeline of his story

I think that his story has evolved as time has gone on. Maybe he admitted early on that she screamed and he was only trying to quieten her down. He is then presented with further evidence. The 9:25pm text to TM, the CCTV footage of him driving away at 10:15pm, the Asda footage at 10:28pm, the further text to TM at 10:30pm etc

It doesn't look good for him if she died within minutes of getting home. So he uses the 9:25pm text to TM to place him in his own flat at that time. He then uses the going to Asda as an excuse to pass her window. If he's caught on CCTV leaving at 10:15pm that gives him ~45 minutes to have a chat, make a pass, try and stop her screaming, move her body, fetch the car, get her in a cylce bag and into the car boot.

10 minutes was the longest he could say he was chatting for IMHO

Which CCTV is that from? Where is he driving away from at 10 15 pm? It's hard to keep track of which of several possible stories / routes of his meanderings that night we are following!

 

[Luna15]

It wouldn't surprise me. If he was googling stuff about Jo he'll have come across forums discussing the case. Its how I found this site and a couple of others at the time.

wouldn't surprise me either, but the dumbass could have picked a better scenario, there were plenty of better one's on offer.

I agree. She was heating up the oven for the pixxa, not to start baking.

Conjuring up an image of feminine domestication in the form of baking on the night she was attacked is being used for effect by the prosecution but with no basis IMO.

I'm conjuring up an image of goldielox sitting there with her hands shaking whilst waiting for the verdict...

 

[stmarysmead]

It's a valid point however, whilst we know from GR that they were both prone to lock (and double lock) the door whilst in the house, I don't believe he said what they usually did with the keys afterwards. Maybe she would put hers in her bag as a habit afterwards so she'd always know where to find them. I'm not so organised - I'll put mine down anywhere.

If I'm rushing for the loo as I come home I'm prone to throwing them down anywhere. If really rushing I wouldn't pause to lock the door en route to the loo either.

I also have a cat. With no cat-flap I have to open a door or window to let her in or out. She's in and out as though she's attached to the house on a piece of elastic some days too. I don't "properly" lock up until I decide the cat's been out enough and is now inside for the night.

Regardless, we'll never know how he did get inside that night, but I tend to sway towards the simpler scenario than one of him picking a lock - she opened the door herself, either to him or for the cat.[/QUOTE



If Greg, distracted by his problems with his car and late getting off on his journey, left without locking the door...and this is how VT wandered into the flat...this would also explain why JY's keys were in her handbag. She never had to use them. She too found the door unlocked. She came in.,.,essentially trapping VT in her bedroom with no way of leaving unnoticed.
All evolved from this predicament.

 

[goldielox]

wouldn't surprise me either, but the dumbass could have picked a better scenario, there were plenty of better one's on offer.



I'm conjuring up an image of goldielox sitting there with her hands shaking whilst waiting for the verdict...

That's what happens when you roll out of bed and immediately start posting on forums before the required extra strong cup of coffee has kicked in :crazy:

 

[Luna15]

That's what happens when you roll out of bed and immediately start posting on forums before the required extra strong cup of coffee has kicked in :crazy:

:giggle:

 

[Luna15]

If Greg, distracted by his problems with his car and late getting off on his journey, left without locking the door...and this is how VT wandered into the flat...this would also explain why JY's keys were in her handbag. She never had to use them. She too found the door unlocked. She came in.,.,essentially trapping VT in her bedroom with no way of leaving unnoticed.
All evolved from this predicament.

I thought of that - but why not just say 'I found your flat door was opened.... I was just doing my neighbourhood watch bit...'