GUILTY UK - Joanna Yeates, 25, Clifton, Bristol, 17 Dec 2010 #16

[Luna15]

Whenever a jury is deliberating a case I'm interested in the classic 1957 movie '12 Angry Men' comes to mind.
It only takes one, maybe two dissenting voices and the jury is in for the long haul.

The jury has heard a lot more than the tweets we were fortunate enough to get I'm sure.

seriously - it could also be a case of a couple of people not wanting to rush back to their crummy jobs.

 

[Clio]

Did you not mean 19th Dec there?

No I didn't mean 19th Dec. GR testified in court in person on 17th Oct. A statement from GR was read out in court on 19th Oct. (I don't know when the statement was written) It was that written statement that talked about the apron and the recipe on the computer.

 

[cleo612]

BBM is an acronym for the Blackberry messaging system.

BBM, when used here at WS, is an acronym for "Bolded by me," as I have done in the quote above.

 

[veggiefan]

It's funny, because when I see the diverse opinions, especially on the FB Discussion wall - it makes me wonder supposing there's someone like that on the jury...

You do get some very odd people on juries. There was a famous case in the 1990s when several members of a jury used a Ouija Board to determine the accused's guilt, as they were totally unable to decide for themselves. There had to be a re-trial after the judge found out.

 

[goldielox]

You do get some very odd people on juries. There was a famous case in the 1990s when several members of a jury used a Ouija Board to determine the accused's guilt, as they were totally unable to decide for themselves. There had to be a re-trial after the judge found out.

Sorry but :floorlaugh:

 

[goldielox]

And following on from that - Top 10 mad jury moments below

http://www.spada.co.uk/the-top-10-mad-jury-moments/

 

[Curious Alice]

you're right, after I reread it I realised they prolly meant the FB thread :crazy:


bbm- is bold by me, meaning I bolded into their quote and they did not bold it originally! sometimes you'll see sbm which is snipped by me, meaning they deleted some of the quoted post for space or whatever :hug:

Oh sorry - yes of course you are right in the context of forums. It's just such a commonly used acronym for Blackberry messaging nowadays, I did not think.

 

[Curious Alice]

VT did claim he did actually leave his house to go out intending to take photos of the snow didn't he? Would there not have been some cctv footage from somewhere along the route he claims he took to evidence this? They had footage of Jo and Greg leaving on foot for work that morning so would they not have footage (depending on where the footage was exactly of Jo and Greg) to show VT passing by at some point too?

Hmmm, a camera bring a Peeping Tom theory to mind. I must stop this - imagination running wild in light of no news and frustration in not understanding what really happens. Nothing makes sense !

 

[wfgodot]

Crazy ! Was this in the US ?

Sounds like it might have been, lol. But here, juries just pray to Jesus for divine guidance - that's our eye-rolling brand of magical thinking. The murder in question was in Wadhurst, East Sussex.

 

[Curious Alice]

Sounds like it might have been, lol. But here, juries just pray to Jesus for divine guidance - that's our eye-rolling brand of magical thinking. The murder in question was in Wadhurst, East Sussex.

Thanks - sorry, I deleted my question as in the meantime I'd looked it up. And we are supposedly so proud of our legal system in England :floorlaugh:

 

[Luna15]

Thanks - sorry, I deleted my question as in the meantime I'd looked it up. And we are supposedly so proud of our legal system in England :floorlaugh:

I cant get this one out of my mind:-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-death-pre-nup-agreement-cleared-murder.html

who in their right mind could not find him guilty of murder :crazy: Lord knows what method those jury member were using....

gutted I HAVE to go out now for a couple of hours.....

will be raying: for JUSTICE FOR JO :angel:

 

[Clio]

It's all very complex ullhair:.... it might be another one of those 'Carry on in the Algarve' .... we might never know.

What I would like to know is what went on in the half day point of law session that brought the defence case to an abrupt halt?

Will this come to light after the trial is over does anybody know?

 

[veggiefan]

And following on from that - Top 10 mad jury moments below

http://www.spada.co.uk/the-top-10-mad-jury-moments/

And by curious coincidence there's another one that might be added.

Yesterday the Court of Appeal in London overturned a guilty verdict at Bristol Crown Court, because one of the jurors had been exchanging texts about the case with her boyfriend in the public gallery during the trial. The judge dismissed the juror concerned, but the appeal succeeded in claiming that the judge should have dismissed the entire jury and ordered a re-trial.

The case may ring some bells - it was the two brothers who ran the "Lapland Winter Holiday" fraud in Dorset a few years ago.

Dorset Trading Standards have announced that they are now having to drop the case after this set back.

 

[brownbread]

Well, the "kiss" account puts JY responsible for her own demise in several ways that he may think offer him "sympathy" with a jury.

First, he was just innocently walking by...it's JY's fault that he even entered the flat. My version puts his presence in the flat squarely on him. He had no invitation and no right!

Secondly, his version has JY flirting and therefore, his his mind, inviting his action next (the kiss.) My version has JY startled with a GENUINE reason to scream and be fearful. In this latter scenario, VT bears responsibility alone for her response.

Likewise, his version makes JY sound like an hysteric...again shifting responsibility to her. No one would fault a woman screaming at finding her stranger-neighbor in her bedroom.

In his mind, his version has JY sharing the blame with him for the "accident." If he is caught in her flat and terrifies the poor woman, it is both humiliating to him...and shifts the responsibility for events that transpired next, entirely on him.

VT feels sorry for himself. He wants JY to shoulder some blame for HIS predicament. Hence, his "story."

Interesting idea. But if that was the thinking behind his 'story', why not shift responsibility further? He could have elaborated much more: they could have been talking for longer, Joanna could have been much more flirtatious, even reciprocated the initial kiss. Maybe she could have threatened him in some way - the possibilities are endless.

Not suggesting any of those things happened, just that if he wanted to shift the blame by concocting a story, he could have done a much more effective job of doing so.

This is why I still think the is a basic kernel of truth in his explanation, because as a lie it is deeply unsatisfactory. I do however think there is far more to it than he has revealed.

 

[2goldfish]

And following on from that - Top 10 mad jury moments below

http://www.spada.co.uk/the-top-10-mad-jury-moments/

oh heavens I dont know whether to laugh or cry....I particularly liked the juror who told the judge it was an insult to his intelligence for the defendant to not plead guilty

 

[veggiefan]

JamesBeal
Still no sign of jury verdict in the tabak trial. They've now been out for more than 8 hours.

 

[Curious Alice]

I cant get this one out of my mind:-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-death-pre-nup-agreement-cleared-murder.html

who in their right mind could not find him guilty of murder :crazy: Lord knows what method those jury member were using....

gutted I HAVE to go out now for a couple of hours.....

will be raying: for JUSTICE FOR JO :angel:

Yes, must admit I was gobsmacked by this one at the time. His QC must have submitted a "grounds of diminished responsibility" defence to the Judge I would guess ? Can't the crown appeal in some cases ?

 

[veggiefan]

This is why I still think the is a basic kernel of truth in his explanation, because as a lie it is deeply unsatisfactory.

Those who know the full Mark Twain quotation may remember how it ends:

Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; truth isn't.

 

[veggiefan]

Yes, must admit I was gobsmacked by this one at the time. His QC must have submitted a "grounds of diminished responsibility" defence to the Judge I would guess ? Can't the crown appeal in some cases ?

Yes, it was diminished responsibility.

There's probably no point in the CPS spending public money on an appeal, since the sentence he got for manslaughter (26 years) is effectively as long as anything he is likely to get for murder. I think it's not impossible that something similar will happen to VT.

However, Robert Brown launched an appeal against his sentence earlier this month.

 

[notsure]

Interesting idea. But if that was the thinking behind his 'story', why not shift responsibility further? He could have elaborated much more: they could have been talking for longer, Joanna could have been much more flirtatious, even reciprocated the initial kiss. Maybe she could have threatened him in some way - the possibilities are endless.

Not suggesting any of those things happened, just that if he wanted to shift the blame by concocting a story, he could have done a much more effective job of doing so.

This is why I still think the is a basic kernel of truth in his explanation, because as a lie it is deeply unsatisfactory. I do however think there is far more to it than he has revealed.

My opinion is that it was a lie. He didn't make it more elaborate for 2 reasons:

1. Lack of imagination.

2. He was shrewd enough to think that keeping it simple would mean less chance of tripping himself up with details.