GUILTY UK - Joanna Yeates, 25, Clifton, Bristol, 17 Dec 2010 #5

[pipkins]

I remembered when I read the bolded bit^ when Joanna's mum talked about Joanne & Greg, she said "they would cycle everywhere together", (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1345194/Joanna-Yeates-Murder-Did-Jo-buy-dinner-killer.html) I also remember reading that the tenant who used to live in their flat said that you would need to climb some stairs to get to the front door of the flat. I wonder whether they kept their bicycles in one of these sheds that are being examined? and if they had their own key for it? I would imagine it would be a bit of a mission to lug 2 bikes down the stairs everytime you'd been out in them?

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news...discovery/article-3081225-detail/article.html

Dog walkers, runners and cyclists have not been deterred from using the lanes, woods and tracks near where Miss Yeates' body was found.

 

[mikeymot]

I hear you. But we'll just have to agree to disagree. Yes, everyone knows something about body language, but it's not that simple. As Steinbeck wrote in Sweet Thursday, "Guy knows all about women, he don't know nothing about a woman." Body language is learned to a degree and there are no hard-and-fast rules that would apply without exceptions. What I am trying to say, which evidently might not have come through, is that
*people can't be condemned on grounds of body language alone, there needs to be either enough forensic proof or a confession to convince the court that someone is guilty (hence keeping an open mind is important);
*if we go solely on what people said about the body language of those who have done TV appeals or interviews for this case, the boyfriend did it and is being covered for by the (possibly lesbian butch) best friend (or the other way around), while the parents (who are pretending to be closer than they really are) had something to do with it, too. In my post I wanted to say that we might cut these people some slack and not judge them if we feel their body language is not what we think it should be, they've gone through hell and back and yes, they know more than they're saying because LE told them not to say certain things, probably because they felt they might jeopardize the investigation.

I didn't mean to get your (or anyone else's) feathers ruffled, but clearly I managed to. Boy howdy.

Take all your points on board...but I would very much like to see the first appeal with G/R and her parents....where he actually speaks. Why has this footage, seemingly, disappeared?

 

[MoveEveryStone]

I think the suspect list is now very narrow:

GR
PS
LP
CJ (though I don't believe it is him)
MW
RS
her boss

We need more information to rule in/out some of the suspects.

It seems GR is out of there, but has anyone given any thought to the idea that a train could come into play. Looking at train schedules, one can take a train from Sheffield to Bristol an about 3 hours, with trains leaving about ever hour or so. Visa-versa on return. However, the last 3 hour train leaves about 9pm and the next not until 6am. However, looking at Birmingham, about 1.5 hours from Bristol by car or rail, trains are running every 30 min back and forth all day long up to 11pm. Is there any evidence he left at 7pm? Is is possible it was closer to 6? Get in the car, get to Birmingham and fill up, train back to Bristol arriving about 9pm, train back to Birming ham arriving about 11, car to Sheffield for about 1230am. This would imply premeditation, something I do not think is a factor in this crime, but something to look at nonetheless. As I understand train stations have lots of CCTV and there are only limited number of trains, so I think this should be looked at.

 

[Phillb]

Please don't laugh at me but I was wondering if anyone has thought of this:

http://www.google.co.uk/intl/en_uk/earth/index.html

I haven't downloaded Google Earth myself but intend to. It may not even be helpful. I don't know if these satellite cameras would be able to pick up details such as the quarry area in Bristol where JY was found on christmas. Not sure if it did. I'm guessing that it isn't something that would show any clues about JY being put there.

Hi Alisia.

Yes we've gone over the quarry site in various places on the forum.
Some images and debate are on this page
Found Deceased UK - Joanna Yeates, Clifton, Bristol, 17 December 2010 - #3 - Page 2 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[Firefly75]

Take all your points on board...but I would very much like to see the first appeal with G/R and her parents....where he actually speaks. Why has this footage, seemingly, disappeared?

So would I, but since there's at least two of us who can't find it, it can't simply be because I'd be useless with computers.

 

[MoveEveryStone]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...reet-lighting-tracing-killer-CCTV-easier.html

Quote: "Police have also confirmed that tests are not being carried out on Miss Yeates’s work colleagues unless they were also connected to her via the social networking site or had other contact such as emails or texts outside of work."

I think this is a mistake. One line of inquiry follows the theory that the killer was 1) known to JY buy maybe not that closely (i.e. able to get her confidence), and 2) also aware that she was alone. One doesn't have to be on social networking or had texts or emails outside work to know that. Both she and GR worked at this firm - there would (could) have been many colleagues they did not socialize with outside work aware of 1 and 2 above. People talk to their colleagues (close and not close) about what they are doing for the holidays in general conversation. Also, in a professional services firm such as landscape architecture, clients and subcontractors are part of an extended workplace.

This only makes sense if they think they have their man and are waiting for them to slip up, and these other activities are diversions to make it look like they are still searching. Because if they are still searching, they are casting the net too narrow.

 

[Firefly75]

I completely agree with you. The moment I saw the article saying they were not testing her work colleagues, I thought, Uh-oh, how can they be so sure it wasn't one of them? Can they really afford that?

 

[Destroyer]

I think the suspect list is now very narrow:

GR
PS
LP
CJ (though I don't believe it is him)
MW
RS
her boss

Interesting you have also left RS in

 

[Phillb]

Just to save trawling through masses of old posts.
Does anyone know the exact time G.R was supposed to set off to Sheffield from outside his flat pls?

And if possible the time he is supposed to arrive in Sheffield?

 

[Destroyer]

Just to save trawling through masses of old posts.
Does anyone know the exact time G.R was supposed to set off to Sheffield from outside his flat pls?

And if possible the time he is supposed to arrive in Sheffield?

I believe it has been mentioned in dispaches that GR got a 'jumpstart' at approx 7pm on the eve of 17th Dec & set off around 8pm - but please dont quote me on that !!

 

[teabreid]

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news...discovery/article-3081225-detail/article.html

Dog walkers, runners and cyclists have not been deterred from using the lanes, woods and tracks near where Miss Yeates' body was found.

An interesting article, thanks, and the first time I've seen it said that the mystery 4x4 was caught on the golf club's cctv. No matter how bad the image, the police must at least know its make, and have a precise timing.

Judging by the amount of regular daily activity around the dumping spot, I'm even more convinced that the body must have been placed there shortly before it was found.

On a totally different point, I am astonished that GR's video appeal has suddenly vanished from the internet. I assume the police pulled it- I wonder why? An arrest tomorrow?

 

[whitedove]

Originally Posted by Phillb
Just to save trawling through masses of old posts.
Does anyone know the exact time G.R was supposed to set off to Sheffield from outside his flat pls?
Posting web site here Phillb, don't think I have read anywhere where it says what time he arrived in Sheffield.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...efferies-is-Joanna-Yeates-murder-suspect.html


And if possible the time he is supposed to arrive in Sheffield?

LANDLORD Chris Jefferies knew Jo Yeates's boyfriend was going away for the weekend - and had a key to the couple's flat, neighbours said yesterday.

Jefferies even helped Greg Reardon start his broken-down car so he could drive to stay with his brother in Sheffield on the night Jo disappeared.

The ex-teacher borrowed jump leads from a neighbour after the motor failed to start.

Another neighbour in Canynge Road, Bristol, said: "He had a key and knew the boyfriend was going away to Yorkshire.

"The chap next door, Peter Stanley, was asleep about 6pm when Chris Jefferies rang him and said, 'Have you got any jump leads?' He said the boyfriend's car wasn't working."

 

[teabreid]

Just to save trawling through masses of old posts.
Does anyone know the exact time G.R was supposed to set off to Sheffield from outside his flat pls?

And if possible the time he is supposed to arrive in Sheffield?

The jump start is reported as around 7pm, I understood he left straight away, my own timeline is on that basis. Once you get a jump start, you keep that engine turning, I was always told!

Running time Bristol to Sheffield on my route planning site is almost exactly 3 hours, distance 179 miles, but Sheffield is a big city, depends how close to the M1 his brother lives. I couldn't see him arriving there before 10pm anyway, although I saw 9pm mentioned in an earlier thread, that is impossible in my opinion.

 

[pipkins]

An interesting article, thanks, and the first time I've seen it said that the mystery 4x4 was caught on the golf club's cctv. No matter how bad the image, the police must at least know its make, and have a precise timing.

Judging by the amount of regular daily activity around the dumping spot, I'm even more convinced that the body must have been placed there shortly before it was found.

On a totally different point, I am astonished that GR's video appeal has suddenly vanished from the internet. I assume the police pulled it- I wonder why? An arrest tomorrow?

Hi Teibreid
I've NEVER been able to find his appeal on line (and that was from day 1 - It was cut almost immediately) Maybe it was to stop us all talking about body language and scaring him off? Its mystifying eh?

 

[ruined detroit]

An interesting article, thanks, and the first time I've seen it said that the mystery 4x4 was caught on the golf club's cctv. No matter how bad the image, the police must at least know its make, and have a precise timing.

Judging by the amount of regular daily activity around the dumping spot, I'm even more convinced that the body must have been placed there shortly before it was found.

On a totally different point, I am astonished that GR's video appeal has suddenly vanished from the internet. I assume the police pulled it- I wonder why? An arrest tomorrow?

This one is still here, not the appeal but some footage of him 'crying'.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/8219528/Family-appeal-for-missing-Bristol-woman.html

 

[pipkins]

Just thought this below may interest you - This is a valid point made by a poster on the Brunt forum regarding what piece of evidence the police may have found - shes talking about a moonstone pendant that Jo wore in photos that G/Rs mum had given her

Posted by: elsie22 on January 14, 2011 1:50 AM
Don't know if she wore it often, she was in the photo where she had glasses on. also as I said in wedding photo & possibly in the cat phot, can just see a longish looking chain- I'm gonna have to go back & look again.

I read in bf's parents interview, that they had given it to her, only time I saw it mentioned tho.

I tend to wear the same jewellry day in - day out, but that's just me, sure everybodies different

 

[naturally suspicious]

might i be correct in the assumption that the landlord,chris jefferies, liked everything to be in its proper place and order.....

might i then assume that he was conversant about which tenants cared for and respected his property....

jo and greg were not at all tidy, and probably more especially so on a friday night when both had been working all week, and she hadn't long been home...to tidy....

might the fact that his flat, rented out to them, had been disrespected by them not irritate just more than a little....

add to that the control obtained by tackling a girl on her own...probably verbally.... about her/their slovenly ways

might he have been snooping round, feeling excessive irritation with the situation...he had keys...and previous tenants said that he used them in their absence....

jo comes in and finds him; irritation grows; she objects to his snooping ...and the whole situation escalates....

after that...conjecture...but the body is secreted...in bag/bin liner....for a time.

ll realises greg will be out of picture till sun night....
at some stage seizes opportunity to load body onto drop-off vehicle...dumps

as another poster has proposed he covers his guilt by giving himself an aliby....he was in car coming in at 9pm and vaguely saw jo plus 2 others go out.

when theory comes to ears of reporters who inform police the story then becomes vaguer and finally disappears into the ether.

i see cj as a controlling figure, resentful of mess, in his own property, doing what he felt she deserved


echoes of glynis murder...control, irritation, dislike of women...couldn't be bothered to sit with mum when dying....ultimate control with something round their necks....

 

[Phillb]

I believe it has been mentioned in dispaches that GR got a 'jumpstart' at approx 7pm on the eve of 17th Dec & set off around 8 pm - but please dont quote me on that !!

Thanks Destroyer.
I'll wait to see what a few other say first, but if the 8p.m time (which i'm sure i've heard before) is correct, then we have the 'golden hour' situation. In around an hour, and no later than 2 hours time Jo would be dead. That's going on the general consensus, and two seperate reports of screams heard around 9.15 p.m.

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that he did return to the flat after setting off at 8 p.m. Infact, has it even been reported he was seen to drive away?

I assume he arrived in Sheffield at not an ungodly hour to satisfy the Police?
But if he did kill Jo, and he stashed her body in that outbuilding around 9.15-30, then he set off to Sheffield, he is running little over an hour late.
That's easily talked away with the excuse of heavy traffic. But I actually think the traffic would be light at that time of night, and it was what is known as 'Black Friday' everyone is out on the razzle getting smashed because they've broken up for work.

Snowfall in Yorkshire was nothing more than a dusting that hit Leeds at midnight on Friday the 17th. Sheffield is only 39 miles South from here. There was no snow in Bristol looking at the C.C.T.V images of Jo, and the street view from the Hogs head pub taken just before 9 p.m. Put your foot down on a quiet motorway and you can pretty much make up for lost time.

Travelling to Sheffield he wouldn't have time to dump the body at Longwood Lane, but he would have time to hide it in the shed no bother.

I really think the Police need to get a grip of this case, to me they've been following the obvious, and have tunnel vision. They should establish the condition of snow depth on that grass verge outside the quarry that week. Was the road gritted for example.

I assume they have checked if the Quarry was in operation that week?
I think it would have been, they should question the drivers, the guy who opens the gate, and the regular dog walkers to establish if that body was there all week or not in their opinion. They also should check if the Quarry floodlights are on all night or not. This has bearings on the choice of location I.M.O.

The body was 'supposedly' snow covered when it was found. If it was covered in snow, then why wasn't it seen say the day before, or earlier?
The weather was still freezing cold on Christmas day, there was no significant thaw overnight to melt enough snow to reveal that body by morning. No thaw set in until Boxing day.

EDIT... to add the definition of 'snow covered body' does that mean it was totally covered in snow, on top of the body? Or had the body sunk into the snow, and snow was around it?
This factor makes all the difference indeed.

 

[naturally suspicious]

plus, cocking a finger up at the police, for whom he would not feel any respect...see them as thick....stupid....
feel he was so much more intelligent than they...
after all, he was not questioned for glynis inquiry...

he got away with it....how much confidence would that now give him to get away with no 2 murder...

 

[Robin Hood]

Naturally suspicious, where did this bit come from please ?

'couldn't be bothered to sit with mum when dying'...