GUILTY UK - Joanna Yeates, 25, Clifton, Bristol, 17 Dec 2010 #5

[MMENJBRIT]

Re: PIPKINS


Originally Posted by pipkins

As of yet I have found no trace of him speaking. I know that he said " I thought we would be together forever"
All I could find was a 3 second clip of him 'squeezing' his eyes shut for the tears to fall. I find it very baffling that there has been a blackout of this.
Quote:

That quote caught my attention as at that time J/Y had not been found and he was talking in the past tense. I am sure L/E picked this up right away

 

[Patticake]

Stop shielding killer of Jo Yeates



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-st...e-being-shielded-by-a-friend-115875-22850017/

Hmm ... pretty obvious.

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[Myserty64]

Surely the police know where GR was at all times by the pings from his phone. As I understand it phones ping the nearest tower every few seconds.

I'm wondering just what the police have to work with.
Has the mass sampling of DNA begun?
There was plenty of talk about DNA but no action has been reported.

 

[pipkins]

Just a quickie here & i want as many of you to answer this as possible, do you think that if Joanna's body had been found that weekend on the Saturday for instance before GR had reported her missing, do you think we would be sitting here discussing it now ??

Only because of all the press conferences & media attention this investigation got in the early stages makes me think if she'd of been found earlier all you would of known of this is a couple of inches snip bit in a columnn of a newspaper.

In my opinion, this did go wrong for the murderer, she was meant to of been found much earlier on, probably before GR returned. Whether it was planned or not, i dont think the killer would of expected to of got so much coverage.

I am sticking with my original vote = 1 - GR

Hi Destroyer - In my opinion he got 'lucky' and things fell into place easier than he thought. Jo's body lay there until found on the 25th I think that he thought it would be found a lot sooner than that and of course he already had 'luck' on his side again when he needed a jump start to begin with. All very simple and clear --- he thought he would get away with it by disassociation. I'm sure by now he's waiting for a knock at the door and maybe even toying with the idea of talking to someone. I know it sounds petty but even the donations to charity was a red flag to me...I feel thats putting the emphasis on Jo and taking any attention away from him. All my opinion though and I can be very stubborn!

 

[mikeymot]

Stop shielding killer of Jo Yeates



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-st...e-being-shielded-by-a-friend-115875-22850017/

"
“Often close friends or relatives simply cannot believe this person could be guilty and agree to give them an alibi. Even a few minutes can make all the difference.”



Just about say it all eh?

 

[bookmark]

Reasons why the body wasn't moved
1 too heavy - dead body in a frozn state
2 no motive to move body - if he could have made it disappear forever then yes
3 risk of contamination soil etc
4 no time
5 fear - too risky and after 19th would have been under surveillance
6 confident in alibi

 

[jigzy]

Hi MMENJBRIT

Consider this: He was staying with Jo's parents on the night of the 22nd December - the day after the press conference when he cried. I doubt he would stay there for Christmas Day - I recall that he stayed with friends sometime during the Christmas holidays, and he might well have visited his parents in Devon - would make sense.

This article dated 23rd Dec:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rchitect-Jo-Yeates-sobs-I-want-Christmas.html

Yesterday, the day after he sobbed at a press conference appealing for her safe return, he was staying with her parents at their home in Ampfield, Hampshire.

He would need to travel between staying with various people, and at that point, don't forget, he was helping along the idea of her going missing on Sunday - no mention of Friday being the major issue. He'd already said that no contact from Jo was not unusual - promoting the idea that loss of electronic communication Friday evening was no great issue of concern.

I waited up for her until about midnight and then when she didn’t return I started to get really worried.

NOTE: BY Christmas Day we had NOT heard about the screams heard Friday evening OR about Chris Jefferies. So Jo was a missing person whose bf was engaging us in the idea that she had disappeared before he returned to Bristol on Sunday evening. To many he appeared genuine, and perhaps the LE at first, but to many sleuthers, not so.

As 'not a suspect', moving a body might not have been too difficult for someone to do, especially if the first site was very close to the final one.

jmo.

 

[TulipaNoir]

Compression of the neck i.e strangulation is what they said. Very vague isn't it?

Plus when the parents saw the body, I wonder if her neck was badly bruised, any markings on it? If so surely they would have not allowed them to see her neck, like cover it sympathetically. Make up?
To strangle someone to death takes a good deal of force, there has to be bad bruising IMO.

Not necessarily:


The lack of serious injury to Miss Carruthers surprised both the Ham Green hospital pathologist Derek Johnson and Mr Lewis.

He said: "The lack of a struggle, lack of injury, lack of anything to go on hampered our inquiries. One almost felt it was a mistake thinking this was a murder."

Examinations only discovered a small abrasion on her throat, suggesting the attack could be an indecent assault from behind. The official cause of death was "manual strangulation" but there was no evidence of a sexual assault. The suspect was 20 to 25 years old, had brown shoulder-length hair and was wearing a three-quarter length denim-type coat.

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news...EY-MURDER/article-3079022-detail/article.html

 

[Luna15]

I think you only have to read between the lines of what's been in the news today.
The Police have been looking at places where the body could have been stashed. I think that's about as good as saying 'they have strong suspicions/good reason to think the body wasn't in Longwood Lane for 8 days, they think it might have been hid elsewhere'

They wouldn't be looking for a body hiding place do you think otherwise IMO.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...been-stashed-for-a-week-in-her-own-house.html

I think the police are using the press, they are printing what the police want them to.

Thank you Luna
btw - Have you noticed the brown coat and black hat that GR is wearing matches up perfectly with what the man behind Jo was wearing in Tesco cctv?

I know this MUST be a coincidence but weird all the same

TBH pip, I didn't pay much attention to the other shopper in Tesco.

Stop shielding killer of Jo Yeates



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-st...e-being-shielded-by-a-friend-115875-22850017/

“Often close friends or relatives simply cannot believe this person could be guilty and agree to give them an alibi. Even a few minutes can make all the difference.”

Surely this is aimed at the brother?

“It is quite possible that the person who murdered Jo has been behaving oddly and that has not been passed on to the team.

Family members will put this odd behaviour down to 'grief'

The whole situation is so tragically sad.

 

[Phillb]

I think the police are using the press, they are printing what the police want them to.

But it is true though isn't it?

Last night a Bristol City Council planning spokeswoman confirmed: "The documents have been seized and are part of the investigation."
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...been-stashed-for-a-week-in-her-own-house.html

 

[pipkins]

Surely the police know where GR was at all times by the pings from his phone. As I understand it phones ping the nearest tower every few seconds.

I'm wondering just what the police have to work with.
Has the mass sampling of DNA begun?
There was plenty of talk about DNA but no action has been reported.

Im not 100% sure on that phone one but I recall a case in Portugal where phone records numbers are shown but only the times of a call and what mast they connected to. Im really no expert and recalling from memory but seem to remember that only if the phone is switched on it checks with the nearest mast in a triangle? I find it hard to believe that we would have unsolved murders/ crimes if the police could tell exactly where you were at any given time by your telephone or am I just a technophobe....yikes!

 

[jigzy]

Thank you Luna
btw - Have you noticed the brown coat and black hat that GR is wearing matches up perfectly with what the man behind Jo was wearing in Tesco cctv?

I know this MUST be a coincidence but weird all the same

I have to respectfully disagree. I have looked at this already in some detail and the cuffs are distinctly different. One has cuffs and the other has long 'tabs' kind of like epaulettes but on the wrist. jmo.

 

[mikeymot]

Hi MMENJBRIT

Consider this: He was staying with Jo's parents on the night of the 22nd December - the day after the press conference when he cried. I doubt he would stay there for Christmas Day - I recall that he stayed with friends sometime during the Christmas holidays, and he might well have visited his parents in Devon - would make sense.

This article dated 23rd Dec:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rchitect-Jo-Yeates-sobs-I-want-Christmas.html



He would need to travel between staying with various people, and at that point, don't forget, he was helping along the idea of her going missing on Sunday - no mention of Friday being the major issue. He'd already said that no contact from Jo was not unusual - promoting the idea that loss of electronic communication Friday evening was no great issue of concern.



NOTE: BY Christmas Day we had NOT heard about the screams heard Friday evening OR about Chris Jefferies. So Jo was a missing person whose bf was engaging us in the idea that she had disappeared before he returned to Bristol on Sunday evening. To many he appeared genuine, and perhaps the LE at first, but to many sleuthers, not so.

As 'not a suspect', moving a body might not have been too difficult for someone to do, especially if the first site was very close to the final one.

jmo.

Have to say, in this instance anyway, don't think the L/E is that dense! If they came out straight away (and we STILL do not know why the parents were so sure it was bad news)...held the press conference with parents clearly distressed...I think they knew full well that Jo was unlikely to turn up alive .... and ... yes, I think they were watching G/R like a hawk (maybe even having a tracking device on his car). I'm more concerned now whether this was indeed an accidental killing....or something much darker.

 

[Patticake]

Family members will put this odd behaviour down to 'grief'
The whole situation is so tragically sad.

Someone on WS early in the investigation posted a poignant comment from a detective to the effect that the end result of this investigation will turn out to be "simple, obvious and tragic".

Indeed.

.

 

[mikeymot]

But it is true though isn't it?

Last night a Bristol City Council planning spokeswoman confirmed: "The documents have been seized and are part of the investigation."
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...been-stashed-for-a-week-in-her-own-house.html

Yes....but he didn't say when....they could have had them a couple of weeks! Very frustrating sifting through 'what is'...'what isn't'..and 'what might be'.

 

[Phillb]

Someone on WS early in the investigation posted a poignant comment from a detective to the effect that the end result of this investigation will turn out to be "simple, obvious and tragic".

Indeed.

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Whoever has done it is serving a life sentence now anyway. They have no life, this thing must be going round in their mind and driving them insane. If the knock on the door doesn't come tomorrow, they know it will come one day.

I would just call it a day t.b.h. You may as well accept the inevitable and give yourself up.

 

[otto]

Here's a concept plan for the flat ... not sure if the doors and openings are correctly placed

 

[Luna15]

But it is true though isn't it?

Last night a Bristol City Council planning spokeswoman confirmed: "The documents have been seized and are part of the investigation."
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...been-stashed-for-a-week-in-her-own-house.html

Sorry Phill, I had forgotten about that - I wonder when that occured? could it have been round about the time CJ was being held?

"Detectives want to piece together as much detail as possible about whether Jo was killed in her flat and, if so, how her body was moved."

there seems a bit of a hypothethical theory there?

Maybe just covering all bases? I dont know..... driving me a bit doolally right now ullhair:

 

[MMENJBRIT]

Re: Robin Hood/Naturally Susp

naturally suspicious
Registered User

i read in a daily newspaper recently...sorry can't quote chapter and verse...maybe daily mail...that there are a couple in their 70s...ex teachers...who used to live next to his parents when he was growing up.

only child, bright,solitary, probably doted on but he wd feel they didn't understand his intellect...
after father died and mother dying in bed neighbour found chris sitting on a chair, in the room with his mother, but outside her vision....
immediately on neighbour entering bedroom, chris got up and left saying that he had to get back to his studies.
said goodbye to mum and left...
mum never saw him again but he arranged funeral...maybe played organ.... can't remember details.
neighbours spoke of his lack of concern for her even though he knew that would be the last occasion she would see him...only child

I read this too. He also used to mail his mom his dirty laundry according to a neighbor... she was wash/dry it immediately and mail it back by return post.

 

[Phillb]

Yes....but he didn't say when....they could have had them a couple of weeks! Very frustrating sifting through 'what is'...'what isn't'..and 'what might be'.

Yes but the story says last night after cops seized plans, and the Police are now inspecting the drawings of the vast Victorian mansion.

I can't believe they would report old leads and old news.
I think it has to be accepted the Police have serious doubts the body was in Longwood Lane for 8 days.