GUILTY UK - Karen Buckley, 24, Glasgow, Scotland, 12 April 2015 - #2

  • #121
As an Irish man I can tell you us Irish hate using cards in pubs we always use cash its a cultural thing, Ive been in many countries and it doesnt matter if its at home, Australia, Canada or Glasgow us Irish male and female young and old hate using plastic in bars and pubs, ask any Irish person. I am sure Karen was no different.

This is from a few pages back but can I say I've never even heard anyone say this before about irish people! I'm Irish myself, (I live in Glasgow hence my keen interest in this case) and I always use my cards instead of cash because it means I can keep track of all my spending using online banking and I feel I'm more likely to get robbed/lose money carrying around wads of cash. It might be the way some people are brought up to use cash but it certainly isn't a cultural thing.

As for people wondering how the police found out he bought a barrel, the first thing the police would do when they traced AP was get his phone records which would show that he drove to a B&Q on the sunday.
 
  • #122
No, no connection between the jacket and the murder. It's just that initial reports said she left without her jacket (which led people to believe she only meant to nip out briefly) but then her friends explained one of them broke the zip on her dress and Karen gave her her jacket to cover up.

I don't think its relevant, just solves a minor mystery as to why she might have left her coat behind.

Thank you, I understand now :smile:
 
  • #123
Poor Karens family have to wait a bit longer before she returns home to Cork. Initially they had then hoped that Karens body might be released by Wednesday but the man accused of her murder has exercised his right to have a second post-mortem carried out.Lawyers for Alexander Pacteau have indicated earlier this week that their client wished to have an independent post-mortem carried out.It is understood that a pathologist retained by Mr Pacteau’s lawyers had been expected to carry out a post-mortem on Ms Buckley’s remains in a Glasgow hospital on Wednesday.

However the pathologist was not able to carry out the post-mortem then and it’s now hoped that the pathologist will be able to carry out the second post-mortem on Friday.


http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...iting-to-bring-karen-s-remains-home-1.2186889
 
  • #124
Poor Karens family have to wait a bit longer before she returns home to Cork. Initially they had then hoped that Karens body might be released by Wednesday but the man accused of her murder has exercised his right to have a second post-mortem carried out.Lawyers for Alexander Pacteau have indicated earlier this week that their client wished to have an independent post-mortem carried out.It is understood that a pathologist retained by Mr Pacteau’s lawyers had been expected to carry out a post-mortem on Ms Buckley’s remains in a Glasgow hospital on Wednesday.

However the pathologist was not able to carry out the post-mortem then and it’s now hoped that the pathologist will be able to carry out the second post-mortem on Friday.


http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...iting-to-bring-karen-s-remains-home-1.2186889

I hope her parents can return the favor someday. I hope that doesn't get me sent to the couch, or my room.
 
  • #125
This is from a few pages back but can I say I've never even heard anyone say this before about irish people! I'm Irish myself, (I live in Glasgow hence my keen interest in this case) and I always use my cards instead of cash because it means I can keep track of all my spending using online banking and I feel I'm more likely to get robbed/lose money carrying around wads of cash. It might be the way some people are brought up to use cash but it certainly isn't a cultural thing.

As for people wondering how the police found out he bought a barrel, the first thing the police would do when they traced AP was get his phone records which would show that he drove to a B&Q on the sunday.

Funny how people see things differently. I'm also Irish and I have never seen anyone here using cards to pay for drinks in a club or bar I did think it was a bit of a cultural thing. So I kind of ruled out the ATM reason for leaving. I guess it does just depend on the person.
 
  • #126
In reply, no I don't "encourage" my daughter to go out and get blind drunk. And I don't "encourage" ANYONE to go out and get blind drunk. However, I don't find it reasonable for a judge to make such comments about Karen Buckley when there is NO evidence that she had made herself "vulnerable" through drink. I find it insensitive to her family and friends.

The judge is obviously talking about making ones-self "vulnerable" and not talking about becoming "aggressive" through the intake of alcohol. My point is that we should focus on the aggressors and remind THEM that they are responsible for their actions. If they attack someone that is their fault. You are right, it's not a perfect world, and sometimes people go out for a few drinks and end up completely wasted. However that gives someone else no right to attack them.

I personally don't care about the woman who was so drunk she can't remember attacking someone. She is the aggressor in that case. What I do care about us victims who are trashed in the media for not fitting nicely into gender or societal stereotypes of what is appropriate behaviour.

You are missing the point.

This isn't victim blaming, it's 101 sensitive advice about how not to become a victim. Like it or not, as women, we have to be more aware of our surroundings and the positions we place ourselves into. I would rather not have that extra drink, and not leave the bad with the weird guy, than do so and end up raped. Ok, it was his fault for raping me, but is that really any consolation?
 
  • #127
"Pacteau back in court over death of Irish student Karen Buckley"

Today’s hearing is being held to confirm whether the accused will face trail, after which he will be granted bail or remanded in custody.
[...]
Reports this morning say the accused has requested that a second, independent post-mortem be carried out on the student’s body

http://www.thejournal.ie/court-karen-buckley-alexander-pacteau-2066435-Apr2015/

I believe this is the full committal hearing, also due to be held in private. If a defence PM is being done, it doesn't suggest to me a guilty plea is likely.
 
  • #128
Poor Karens family have to wait a bit longer before she returns home to Cork. Initially they had then hoped that Karens body might be released by Wednesday but the man accused of her murder has exercised his right to have a second post-mortem carried out.Lawyers for Alexander Pacteau have indicated earlier this week that their client wished to have an independent post-mortem carried out.It is understood that a pathologist retained by Mr Pacteau’s lawyers had been expected to carry out a post-mortem on Ms Buckley’s remains in a Glasgow hospital on Wednesday.

However the pathologist was not able to carry out the post-mortem then and it’s now hoped that the pathologist will be able to carry out the second post-mortem on Friday.


http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...iting-to-bring-karen-s-remains-home-1.2186889

I realise it is the defence's prerogative to ask for a second autopsy but for some reason I am simply fuming at this delay in allowing Karen to be returned home to her family. I know that's irrational but is just how I feel.
 
  • #129
  • #130
Connor Gillies ‏@ConnorGillies · 5 mins5 minutes ago  Glasgow, Scotland
Murder accused Alexander Pacteau to appear in private at Glasgow Sheriff Court for the second time at 2pm today after #KarenBuckley death.
 
  • #131
I realise it is the defence's prerogative to ask for a second autopsy but for some reason I am simply fuming at this delay in allowing Karen to be returned home to her family. I know that's irrational but is just how I feel.

I wonder what he's hoping to achieve by this? Do you think he's going to claim she died sccidentally and his actions afterwards were out of some kind of panic. Innocent until proven guilty of course but come on!!
 
  • #132
I wonder what he's hoping to achieve by this? Do you thunk he's going to claim she died sccidentally and his actions afterwards were out of some kind of panic. Innocent until proven guilty of course but come on!!

It's not impossible he could claim that. Difficult to know at this point because we don't know his account of events. Perhaps looking for a PM opinion that her injuries could have been sustained accidentally? The burden of proof lies with the prosecution and the defence will be using whatever evidence they have to point out that there is reasonable doubt in what the prosecution alleges to have happened. Also there is the possibility of a "not proven" verdict. That's assuming it goes to trial. I don't believe he needs to enter a plea at this point.

Tabak's defence did a second PM. He pleaded guilty to manslaughter of Joanna Yeates but claimed he was not guilty of murder at the trial.

I know this is a Scottish case but I believe they have culpable homicide which is similar to manslaughter.

Horrible as it sounds, what happened to her after she died is not relevant to whether she was murdered or not. AFAIK any actions subsequent to death would be taken into account in sentencing if found guilty but are not necessarily proof of intent to kill.
 
  • #133
New article

"Karen Buckley died of head and neck injuries, according to her death certificate.

The document, released on Thursday, was signed by the tragic student’s mother Marion, 62, and father John, 61, who endured the heartbreaking formalities while in Glasgow.

The death certificate was officially issued by a registrar in Glasgow on Wednesday.

Karen’s family hope her body will soon be released for burial after legal concerns are dealt with."

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/karen-buckley-death-certificate-reveals-5572283
 
  • #134
It's not impossible he could claim that. Difficult to know at this point because we don't know his account of events. Perhaps looking for a PM opinion that her injuries could have been sustained accidentally? The burden of proof lies with the prosecution and the defence will be using whatever evidence they have to point out that there is reasonable doubt in what the prosecution alleges to have happened. Also there is the possibility of a "not proven" verdict. That's assuming it goes to trial. I don't believe he needs to enter a plea at this point.

Tabak's defence did a second PM. He pleaded guilty to manslaughter of Joanna Yeates but claimed he was not guilty of murder at the trial.

I know this is a Scottish case but I believe they have culpable homicide which is similar to manslaughter.

Horrible as it sounds, what happened to her after she died is not relevant to whether she was murdered or not. AFAIK any actions subsequent to death would be taken into account in sentencing if found guilty but are not necessarily proof of intent to kill.

I don't know much about the differences with Scottish law but on the general point of a 2nd PM it what might it reveal that could be used to show manslaughter rather than murder? I can see that certain types of injury could be argued as the result of an accident but I can't see how it could show intent.

O/T I just goggled Tabak and hadn't realised that he had recently also been convicted of child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.
 
  • #135
Body wont be home in Cork until Sunday or Monday and Karens funeral will not be until Tuesday at the earliest, the wait must be agony for Karens family. Im not sure what can be gained from having a second post mortem, if media reports are correct karen was repeatedly beaten in the head with a spanner and strangled, going to be pretty hard to argue that is accidental.


http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...ase-of-karen-buckleys-body-home-31167276.html
 
  • #136
Body wont be home in Cork until Sunday or Monday and Karens funeral will not be until Tuesday at the earliest, the wait must be agony for Karens family. Im not sure what can be gained from having a second post mortem, if media reports are correct karen was repeatedly beaten in the head with a spanner and strangled, going to be pretty hard to argue that is accidental.


http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...ase-of-karen-buckleys-body-home-31167276.html

I feel remembered on OP Pistolius, needed own special experts for examining his poor victim Reeva.
 
  • #137
wow, that guy looks creepy.
 
  • #138
I wonder if he told her he had some real deal on the latest electronic equipment or a designer hand bag or something else which would really appeal to a 24 year old girl and at at price which would be
a real bargain to her. An i pad for £50.00 or a similar gadget might tempt he to follow him to his car to buy it . She would only expect to be away for a few minutes if he told her he was just parked around the corner.
 
  • #139
Karen is going back to Ireland tomorrow and her funeral is on Tuesday.

"TRAGIC Glasgow student Karen Buckley’s parents will finally get to take their daughter’s body home to Ireland this weekend.

The 24-year-old's corpse was released late this afternoon after a second post mortem in Glasgow.

Her parents could travel back to her home at Mourneabbey in north Cork as early as tomorrow morning with her, reports our sister paper the Irish Mirror .

Members of Karen’s family will accompany the body on the flight from Glasgow.

The news comes as her family announced her funeral will take place on Tuesday in her hometown."

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/karen-buckley-heartbroken-parents-glasgow-5578763
 
  • #140
Will we hear anything about yesterday's hearing or is it closed from media?
 

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