Found Deceased UK - Leah Croucher, 19, Emerson Valley, Milton Keynes, 14 Feb 2019 #4

[Jenesaisquoi]

I thought businesses kept up to 28 days CCTV footage and can’t keep longer due to the data protection act.

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

snipped by me....

Also I don't believe the police have ever mentioned the Premier Inn as a possible place where she was last seen, i think it's just us amateur sleuths on here speculating about it! Maybe they should start listening to us!

think it would be worth you guys putting it thro on the online report

 

[HollyHunter9]

@Frivolous I looked on google maps too and found there are several cctv cameras dotted about on the PIH (I'll attach them below in case you missed them earlier in the thread). But like @WiseOwl suggests perhaps early on in the investigation the police did not have as much info as we do now. Perhaps they did not yet have the full picture of Leah's route and by the time the buzzacot lane cctv was discovered along with the mobile phone data it may be that the cctv from PIH had gone by then? I do genuinely think we have cracked something here with regards to the timeline.

8.00am leave for work
8.07am cctv on leigh hill
8.13am cctv buzzcott lane
8.20am sighting at teletubbie hill
8.34am phone switched off in northern part of lake where PIH is.

Whether we speculate Mr X is involved or anyone else that timeline and the possibility of the PIH being involved definitely needs to be looked at. If guests staying there witnessed something they may not even be aware of Leah's disappearance (being guests they were likely not from MK area and it's surprising how many people are not even aware of Leah's case) this why I believe it needs national coverage.

I've also attached a screenshot from google maps from Leah's now last known sighting •teletubbie hill ~ •Premier Inn and it shows it as exactly a 14 minute walk.

 

[WiseOwl]

think it would be worth you guys putting it thro on the online report

I would have thought that by now the police would have considered the Premier Inn car park as a possible last place Leah was seen, even if it has never been mentioned in the press. Don't you think they would have considered it then?

 

[HollyHunter9]

I would have thought that by now the police would have considered the Premier Inn car park as a possible last place Leah was seen, even if it has never been mentioned in the press. Don't you think they would have considered it then?

You would hope so

 

[Frivolous]

@Frivolous I looked on google maps too and found there are several cctv cameras dotted about on the PIH (I'll attach them below in case you missed them earlier in the thread). But like @WiseOwl suggests perhaps early on in the investigation the police did not have as much info as we do now. Perhaps they did not yet have the full picture of Leah's route and by the time the buzzacot lane cctv was discovered along with the mobile phone data it may be that the cctv from PIH had gone by then? I do genuinely think we have cracked something here with regards to the timeline.

8.00am leave for work
8.07am cctv on leigh hill
8.13am cctv buzzcott lane
8.20am sighting at teletubbie hill
8.34am phone switched off in northern part of lake where PIH is.

Whether we speculate Mr X is involved or anyone else that timeline and the possibility of the PIH being involved definitely needs to be looked at. If guests staying there witnessed something they may not even be aware of Leah's disappearance (being guests they were likely not from MK area and it's surprising how many people are not even aware of Leah's case) this why I believe it needs national coverage.

I've also attached a screenshot from google maps from Leah's now last known sighting •teletubbie hill ~ •Premier Inn and it shows it as exactly a 14 minute walk.

Excellent @HollyHunter9 with regards to linking the sighting of Leah at Teletubby Hill and making the link that the duration of 14 minutes would mark her in the vicinity of the Premier Inn.

I also agree with you that we have something solid with the timeline. Though I do have another question - how reliable are the eyewitnesses who report seeing a girl matching Leah's description walking by Furzton Lake from about 9.30am - 11.15am?

Does this change anything if so?

 

[dotr]

Another news report from minutes ago.

I think this feels a bit ‘homemade’ but I think the family and pushing for the support of the press.

New photos show how Leah Croucher could look today, two years after going missing from Milton Keynes

As a fan of Harry Potter and perhaps also darker complected men, wondering if Leah might be more inclined to colour her hair black?
Other than hiding under a veil of sorts, the one thing that would best help disguise fresh-faced Leah, is if she wore some heavy/dark makeup, imo, speculation.

From link, thanks..
''Today her style could be shorter, or substantially longer, and dyed a different colour. A fringe may have been cut in and/or her hair may have been straightened.

The Citizen's photos show different combinations of colours and styles. Leah wore glasses sometimes, so some of the photos show her with them on.''

Leah' Croucher's hair could be blonde and straight now

Long blonde hair and no glasses

Studious: Leah with a fringe and glasses

Leah may have dyed her hair black

She may even have gone for a trendy purple

 

[HollyHunter9]

Excellent @HollyHunter9 with regards to linking the sighting of Leah at Teletubby Hill and making the link that the duration of 14 minutes would mark her in the vicinity of the Premier Inn.

I also agree with you that we have something solid with the timeline. Though I do have another question - how reliable are the eyewitnesses who report seeing a girl matching Leah's description walking by Furzton Lake from about 9.30am - 11.15am?

Does this change anything if so?

Well this is the part I struggle with too...the witnesses who claim to have seen Leah by the lake between 9.30am-11am.

•The girl was on the phone ~ we know leahs phone was switched off 8.34am ~ how likely is it she had a 2nd phone no one knew about?

•witnesses can be unreliable ~ could it have been someone similar to Leah? Maybe a guest from the PIH? Might be why they have never come forward if they don't live in the area and not seen or heard of leahs case they may not even know to come forward?

• could it have been leah but a different day? Or a different time?

• I can't find anywhere if the police specify exactly what part of the lake the witnesses saw her? We know the day before location services were turned off at Eastern part of the lake and her phone was switched off on the day of disappearance in the Northern part of the lake. I would really be interested to know what part of the lake the witnesses saw her?

•From what locals have described on here it is quite a busy/frequented area. When out and about on daily basis how often do you see 'youngsters' dressed in black, wearing converse and engrossed in their phone?

My personal opinion is it wasn't her.

*edited to correct grammar

 

[dotr]

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[Jenesaisquoi]

I would have thought that by now the police would have considered the Premier Inn car park as a possible last place Leah was seen, even if it has never been mentioned in the press. Don't you think they would have considered it then?

If they have considered it, then they will just file it. I ‘d rather info was put thro a few times than not at all, especially if you can do it online so you are not tying up a telephone operator.

I just hate the thought that there is a tiny bit of info out there that the police need to know.

 

[dotr]

Well this is the part I struggle with too...the witnesses who claim to have seen Leah by the lake between 9.30am-11am.

•The girl was on the phone ~ we know leahs phone was switched off 8.34am ~ how likely is it she had a 2nd phone no one knew about?

•witnesses can be unreliable ~ could it have been someone similar to Leah? Maybe a guest from the PIH? Might be why they have never come forward if they don't live in the area and not seen or heard of leahs case they may not even know to come forward?

• could it have been leah but a different day? Or a different time?

• I can't find anywhere if the police specify exactly what part of the lake the witnesses saw her? We know the day before location services were switched off at Eastern part of the lake and her switched off on the day of disappearance in the Northern part of the lake. I would really be interested to know what part of the lake the witnesses saw her?

•From what locals have described on here it is quite a busy/frequented area. When out and about on daily basis how often do you seen 'youngsters' dressed in black, wearing converse and engrossed in their phone?

My personal opinion is it wasn't her.

Just a thought, although not likely - but could there be other females involved in some way (in whatever way LC might have been involved in whatever?)

If someone is inclined to cheat on a partner and/or take advantage of a naive young woman for various purposes, maybe there are others who meet at similar locations and who may also have received upsetting information?
If the crying girl was not Leah, maybe it was a different girl with good reason (or inability) not to tell?
speculation, imo.

 

[Sillybilly]

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[Jenesaisquoi]

Sorry Sillybilly, I was posting whilst in a zoom meeting. Trouble is now it has been deleted, I can’t even remember what I was posting to repost with links.

 

[Skigh]

If they have considered it, then they will just file it. I ‘d rather info was put thro a few times than not at all, especially if you can do it online so you are not tying up a telephone operator.

I just hate the thought that there is a tiny bit of info out there that the police need to know.

Perhaps you could mention it your self if you think the police would not have thought of it.

 

[Spiderplant]

I wonder if he told her he had sorted it with work for her to have the day off and he would also take it off and someone would meet her in car park to drive her to a rendezvous location.

skigh- this could explain why her office were confused and thought she had annual leave booked which is what delayed her parents being alerted until 530pm? Could X have had input to purposefully confuse the matter further given he works there too.

There is a MSM from the sun Re confused work place https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/90704...Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1558785642

edited to include the article.

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

Perhaps you could mention it your self if you think the police would not have thought of it.

I do send the police info sometimes when I see something online, if I think it might help. But not usually on maps or areas I don’t know myself and not usually on some investigative thoughts from another sleuther.

 

[HollyHunter9]

Just a thought, although not likely - but could there be other females involved in some way (in whatever way LC might have been involved in whatever?)

If someone is inclined to cheat on a partner and/or take advantage of a naive young woman for various purposes, maybe there are others who meet at similar locations and who may also have received upsetting information?
If the crying girl was not Leah, maybe it was a different girl with good reason (or inability) not to tell?
speculation, imo.

Could be a possibility. I'm not entirely sure tbh. I just find the sightings at the lake the most confusing as it doesn't fit with the timeline of her phone switching off at 8.34am. But 3 separate people is a fair amount to all say they saw the same person though.

 

[Spiderplant]

Could be a possibility. I'm not entirely sure tbh. I just find the sightings at the lake the most confusing as it doesn't fit with the timeline of her phone switching off at 8.34am. But 3 separate people is a fair amount to all say they saw the same person though.

it hasn’t been reported if the three people were all together- or three separate people making similar sightings-
please confirm if you know this to be different from my understanding.

 

[Kaykedi]

it hasn’t been reported if the three people were all together- or three separate people making similar sightings-
please confirm if you know this to be different from my understanding.

It was two witnesses who were walking together, and, one witness walking alone if I remember rightly. So, two separate sightings.
Ha, just found the article I'd read regarding the sightings by the lake (I don't know how to copy it on here).
It says Leah may have been seen "angry, upset and crying" by a lake on the day she disappeared. It states three new witnesses reported seeing a woman matching Leah's description.
I read the article online on:
ITV News
Date of article :
Tuesday 16th April 2019

<Admin note: Link is Missing teen Leah Croucher may have been seen crying on day of disappearance | ITV News>

 

[HollyHunter9]

it hasn’t been reported if the three people were all together- or three separate people making similar sightings-
please confirm if you know this to be different from my understanding.

I've found this article regarding the witnesses. @Kaykedi is quite right that it was one person, then two people who were walking together. The article I found also states the locations where the witnesses saw her...

"The first witness, was walking alone along the wooden boardwalk on the eastern side of the lake when she saw a female between 9.30am and 10am."

"The other two witnesses, who were walking anti-clockwise around Furzton Lake together, saw the girl between 10am and 10.15am near the sports pavilion, and described her as being visibly angry, upset and crying."

"They then saw her again around 20 minutes later just after passing the Premier Inn, and described her to be in a calmer state. They also believe she may have been speaking to somebody on her mobile phone."

Was it Leah Croucher who was spotted "angry and upset" on her phone on the day she vanished in Milton Keynes?