Found Deceased UK - Leah Croucher, 19, Emerson Valley, Milton Keynes, 14 Feb 2019 #4

[SaintGertrude]

Well done for finding this recent news. I'm guessing he made the name Adam up though.

I suppose that the man revealing his real name all depends on if the woman being raped then escaped and he meant to kill her after raping her.
In my opinion I think that if someone disappears walking down a lane close to Furzton Lake then we need to be looking at past incidents as for all we know Leah could have been the next victim of someone who tried to abduct a woman in the past or is a local rapist.

I think the witness report of a lady seen crying near the lake is interesting as I understand from a FB post that her coat was unzipped. In the Buzzacott Lane sighting her coat is zipped up to her neck.
Bearing in mind it was February and by a lake it would seem strange not to be zipped to the neck and to have the coat undone. Could she have been in distress due to someone assaulting her maybe.
It was around -2°c on the morning of 15th February. Weather in February 2019 in London, England, United Kingdom

 

[Onetruesaxon]

Posted twice by mistake

 

[Onetruesaxon]

No, I don't. If you were to compile a list of disappearances on or immediately after Valentine's day, I think you would find that a higher proportion would be suicide than for most other days of the year (closely followed by Christmas, I expect). But as regards Leah specifically, my personal belief is that she disappeared voluntarily.

Interesting. Do you think she could of saved up enough money somehow to hire someone to disappear. Can people do that? Is it too far fetched? Would she be that smart to be able to do all this and not leave anything behind. Get caught? . A theory Maybe she helped AC sell drugs (weed) if his username has something like mksfinest in it. But high chance he would of sold other stuff too and she saved up money or even her brother who thought he was a bit of a local gangster.

Here is an interesting article I found

How To Disappear Completely, Never Be Found (& It's 100% Legal)

Private Investigator Explains How To 'Vanish Without A Trace'

The companies that help people vanish



I'm not saying this happened at all it's just something I thought of when thinking of all different possibilities.

Would someone be able to hire someone to help them start a new life ? Could a young girl do this ?

Maybe she met with the person the night before. Maybe they planned it how it was going to happen the night before and told her to turn of the tracker on the phone. Gave her advice how to do it. I think this is highly unlikely but who knows ??

 

[Skigh]

No, I don't. If you were to compile a list of disappearances on or immediately after Valentine's day, I think you would find that a higher proportion would be suicide than for most other days of the year (closely followed by Christmas, I expect). But as regards Leah specifically, my personal belief is that she disappeared voluntarily.

How do you think Leah has managed to disappear voluntarily?

She has never lived independently and was described as shy and young for her age. How would she support herself ,physically and emotionally?

I really do not think she would let her family suffer not knowing what had happened to her.

 

[JuicyLucy]

Would someone be able to hire someone to help them start a new life ? Could a young girl do this ?

Maybe she met with the person the night before. Maybe they planned it how it was going to happen the night before and told her to turn of the tracker on the phone. Gave her advice how to do it. I think this is highly unlikely but who knows ??

SBM

People disappear voluntarily every day of the week. Depending on your situation, there are organisations that will help you free of charge. Providing support, advice and practical help such as a phone and somewhere to stay would certainly be part of that service. If you have good reason (for example, are escaping an abusive relationship with someone you believe will hunt you down unless they think you are dead), you can ask the police not to disclose to anyone that you are safe and well. Obviously, in that situation, the police would not then be looking for anyone to prosecute in relation to your disappearance, but would not actually be able to say so.

I personally know someone who has been through this, but as far as this thread is concerned, my comments are purely hypothetical.

 

[Onetruesaxon]

SBM

People disappear voluntarily every day of the week. Depending on your situation, there are organisations that will help you free of charge. Providing support, advice and practical help such as a phone and somewhere to stay would certainly be part of that service. If you have good reason (for example, are escaping an abusive relationship with someone you believe will hunt you down unless they think you are dead), you can ask the police not to disclose to anyone that you are safe and well. Obviously, in that situation, the police would not then be looking for anyone to prosecute in relation to your disappearance, but would not actually be able to say so.

I personally know someone who has been through this, but as far as this thread is concerned, my comments are purely hypothetical.

Very interesting. Thank you . Maybe she had many secrets the family are not saying or don't know them selves. Who knows? There could be so many reasons someone would wanna start a new life. I guess we have all had that thought in our lives at some point?

 

[SaintGertrude]

I was just reading some fishing news and Furzton Lake is mentioned a few times.

Bream fishing in the morning when it is -2°c and a noticeable wind to follow is on the cards.
Is there anyone into fishing who would be able to tell if the conditions were perfect the time Leah went missing for a fisherman to be down on the lake. I am just working out what kinds of people apart from dog walkers, trades people, those walking or driving to work may have been in the area early morning on 15th February 2019.

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

On the basis of TVP’s recent clarification about the MK Citizen articles, they state that they re committed to ascertaining what happened to Leah…

I don’t think they would have included that statement if they knew where she was but couldn’t say.

 

[JuicyLucy]

I must say, I admire your commitment to finding new investigative angles to this case @SaintGertrude. It's extremely refreshing.

 

[I wonder]

This case always reminds me of Claudia Lawrence. People cannot simply vanish into thin air. There are several possible scenarios:

a) She left of her own accord and is somehow managing to live off grid without using her National Insurance number etc.

b) She's taken her own life in a very remote place that she somehow managed to get to despite not having a car and there no witnesses coming forward who saw her on public transport.

c) She was picked up by someone and they went to a very remote place (possibly a fair distance away) to talk/have sex if it's Mr. X. MrX then told her he didn't want to see her again as he loves his wife. Leah was distraught and either ran off or told him to go back to his wife. She then took her own life or had an accident and her body hasn't been found yet.

c) She was murdered, either via an abduction or a planned meeting with a known person who then killed her to silence her.

MOO is that had she simply taken her own life, she'd have been found by now. Females tend to use less violent methods, so an overdose etc and are also less likely to go to a remote place to do so.

 

[JuicyLucy]

a) She left of her own accord and is somehow managing to live off grid without using her National Insurance number etc.

sbmff

Everybody gets bogged down in the NI number thing, but all she would have to do is inform HMRC of a change of name and she could continue using her original one. For all we know, she set things in motion to register a name change before she even left, perhaps with someone's help if she was as helpless as everyone seems to think. Any information she gave HMRC would be confidential, although it would leave an audit trail the police would be able to access.

Living 'off grid' is pretty hard in this day and age - perhaps possible for older people with contacts, cash and not much of a digital footprint, but vanishingly unlikely imo for a 19-year-old without resources or much life experience, particularly if there were to be a baby in the picture.

JMO

 

[SaintGertrude]

I must say, I admire your commitment to finding new investigative angles to this case @SaintGertrude. It's extremely refreshing.

I do think we need to also be looking outside of the box to try and crack this case.
If someone murdered Leah then it probably wasn't their first offence. A local rapist, a local person with a history of domestic violence maybe, even someone who has been an animal abuser as that is how psychopaths start before they kill a person.
If anyone has already been in prison for any of the above and is known as someone to go early morning fishing by the lake then that would certainly be of some interest to me and bring up a red flag. There is also a chance that if it was foul play then it may have not been a local involved but someone passing through the town.

 

[SaintGertrude]

This case always reminds me of Claudia Lawrence. People cannot simply vanish into thin air. There are several possible scenarios:

a) She left of her own accord and is somehow managing to live off grid without using her National Insurance number etc.

b) She's taken her own life in a very remote place that she somehow managed to get to despite not having a car and there no witnesses coming forward who saw her on public transport.

c) She was picked up by someone and they went to a very remote place (possibly a fair distance away) to talk/have sex if it's Mr. X. MrX then told her he didn't want to see her again as he loves his wife. Leah was distraught and either ran off or told him to go back to his wife. She then took her own life or had an accident and her body hasn't been found yet.

c) She was murdered, either via an abduction or a planned meeting with a known person who then killed her to silence her.

MOO is that had she simply taken her own life, she'd have been found by now. Females tend to use less violent methods, so an overdose etc and are also less likely to go to a remote place to do so.

Thanks for sharing I wonder. There are so many scenarios to think about

I have only recently started looking at Leah's missing case and this link has a lot of background informaton for anyone else who may be still trying to catch up. Milton Keynes Missing Person: Leah Croucher, 19, Milton Keynes, United Kingdom - The Missing and the Lost

This part of the crimewatch roadshow reconstruction responses is interesting and points to something possibly happening at the lake.
'A woman remembers walking by the Blue Lagoon lake in Bletchley around February 2019 and had seen a grey hoodie by the water. She distinctly remembered it had the words ‘Stewartby’ on the back of it'.

It was later confirmed that the woman saw the hoodie hanging from a tree – which means somebody else deliberately put it there. It was likely to be the same hoodie Leah was wearing when she went missing.

 

[SaintGertrude]

Duplicate post

 

[SaintGertrude]

Following on from I wonders observations
Point c) She was murdered, either via an abduction or a planned meeting with a known person who then killed her to silence her.

Have folks read the latest news that someone tried to abduct a ten year old child in Milton Keynes this weekend:-
Police search for young boy after attempted child abduction in Milton Keynes

Thames Valley Police appeal for witnesses following attempted child abduction in Milton Keynes

Although Leah was an adult in comparison with this recent light of events there could be a bad person hanging around Milton Keynes and he may have been looking for another victim. I wonder if the description compares with the other attempted kidnapping a while back.

Milton Keynes schoolgirl kidnapped by man in van

It will be interesting to see what comes to light after the recent attempted kidnapping.

 

[Onetruesaxon]

Following on from I wonders observations
Point c) She was murdered, either via an abduction or a planned meeting with a known person who then killed her to silence her.

Have folks read the latest news that someone tried to abduct a ten year old child in Milton Keynes this weekend:-
Police search for young boy after attempted child abduction in Milton Keynes

Thames Valley Police appeal for witnesses following attempted child abduction in Milton Keynes

Although Leah was an adult in comparison with this recent light of events there could be a bad person hanging around Milton Keynes and he may have been looking for another victim. I wonder if the description compares with the other attempted kidnapping a while back.

Milton Keynes schoolgirl kidnapped by man in van

It will be interesting to see what comes to light after the recent attempted kidnapping.

I think these are all unconnected. There is always going to be attempted abductions where ever you look . It's worth checking into to them all though but I would be surprised if they have any connection.

The case of LC seems very planned out.

 

[SaintGertrude]

I think these are all unconnected. There is always going to be attempted abductions where ever you look . It's worth checking into to them all though but I would be surprised if they have any connection.

The case of LC seems very planned out.

Another attempted abduction in 2014 with a photofit of the man.
I will check through and look at any e-fits but as you say Onetruesaxon there are going to be attempted abductions which may have no connection. If further down the line there is a description of any suspect then that would be a great help in narrowing down any potential connections. Man sought over attempted abduction in Milton Keynes

 

[SaintGertrude]

Looking again at the possibility of murder or abduction. The Fishermead rapist is an interesting case as centred around Milton Keynes and involved 18 women in the area being assaulted, although no murders came to light. I am pretty sure that this person who was sentenced to life in 2001 would have still been in prison when Leah went missing in 2019. Interesting to note that he was a wife abuser as well so will also keep looking at domestic violence incidents in the Milton Keynes area.
A heart of darkness

 

[NorthernSoul]

Interesting. Do you think she could of saved up enough money somehow to hire someone to disappear. Can people do that? Is it too far fetched? Would she be that smart to be able to do all this and not leave anything behind. Get caught? . A theory Maybe she helped AC sell drugs (weed) if his username has something like mksfinest in it. But high chance he would of sold other stuff too and she saved up money or even her brother who thought he was a bit of a local gangster.

Here is an interesting article I found

How To Disappear Completely, Never Be Found (& It's 100% Legal)

Private Investigator Explains How To 'Vanish Without A Trace'

The companies that help people vanish



I'm not saying this happened at all it's just something I thought of when thinking of all different possibilities.

Would someone be able to hire someone to help them start a new life ? Could a young girl do this ?

Maybe she met with the person the night before. Maybe they planned it how it was going to happen the night before and told her to turn of the tracker on the phone. Gave her advice how to do it. I think this is highly unlikely but who knows ??

I have been following this case throughout. I believe that Leah may have left home of her own accord. I feel it is key that this is the opinion of one of the police officers working on the case. He has access to a lot of information we do not have. Maybe on the night that Leah stayed out at the Travelodge she was actually planning to leave and it was a way of getting out with some clothes etc. but then she had second thoughts and couldn't go through with it. Maybe the night before she went missing was also an attempt that for some reason she didn't go through with. Then finally she did leave; possibly as others have suggested with the help of an organisation or friends.
There are lots of reasons a person might want to leave home. I don't feel the police would be at liberty to discuss them even if they were aware of any in this case.
Maybe Mr. X could have given them information in relation to Leah's motives? Maybe he was a confidante and friend? The police seem not to have pursued the idea that he was a suspect.
The police seem to think Leah has run away.

All JMO of course and there are of course other credible scenarios.

 

[Onetruesaxon]

I have been following this case throughout. I believe that Leah may have left home of her own accord. I feel it is key that this is the opinion of one of the police officers working on the case. He has access to a lot of information we do not have. Maybe on the night that Leah stayed out at the Travelodge she was actually planning to leave and it was a way of getting out with some clothes etc. but then she had second thoughts and couldn't go through with it. Maybe the night before she went missing was also an attempt that for some reason she didn't go through with. Then finally she did leave; possibly as others have suggested with the help of an organisation or friends.
There are lots of reasons a person might want to leave home. I don't feel the police would be at liberty to discuss them even if they were aware of any in this case.
Maybe Mr. X could have given them information in relation to Leah's motives? Maybe he was a confidante and friend? The police seem not to have pursued the idea that he was a suspect.
The police seem to think Leah has run away.

All JMO of course and there are of course other credible scenarios.

Interesting. Thank you .

Great username by the way

I think if she did make herself disappear she would of had needed help for sure. Would she of been that smart not to leave any clues at all? Miss all the CCTV? Let hardly noone see her ? Leave no trace what so ever. Would a young girl be able to just do this? How would you of been able to afford to hire someone to make her disappear? Surely young teenage friends wouldn't be able to help with something like this. It seems professionally done and plus you think they would say something to someone at some point they are all young teenage girls. I don't mean this in a bad or horrible way but you can tell alot by people's appearance sometimes , how they look, their photos. Etc. She looked to be a young naive girl. She wasn't ugly or anything. I do think she looked much more mature and pretty when she was all done up in the make up pics. But I feel she does not look like someone who would be able to get all the men. I could maybe understand it more if she was a super model who all the men adored. My point is I think it's likely she was used by a older man or someone. I think she would of had to pay someone for help. I don't mean that bit in a horrible way. I think it's a real possibility but I think it would be super super hard to just start a new life and the way she done it. It must of been so professional or lucky . I think it's professional. Sucicide is also very likely and body's can be found years later as I had a family member who found someone who hung thereselves , he had been missing for many years and they found his skeleton in a rural spot of the motorway somewhere..... So many possibilities I don't think we will know unless more people come forward.. Maybe AC helped her somehow ?