Found Deceased UK - Leah Croucher, 19, Emerson Valley, Milton Keynes, 14 Feb 2019 #5

[MrsWatson]

Leah Croucher cops probe mystery of ‘crying woman at lake’

 

[Poopsnack]

What is clear is that the Community Group is leading this investigation. I’ve never seen the TVP issue a statement for an online group to disseminate.
Anyone know of case where this has happened before?

 

[JuicyLucy]

What is clear is that the Community Group is leading this investigation. I’ve never seen the TVP issue a statement for an online group to disseminate.
Anyone know of case where this has happened before?

I agree. I think a lot of what the fb group is coming up with is a bit bonkers tbh but I greatly admire the way they've grabbed control of the narrative.

 

[Poopsnack]

I agree. I think a lot of what the fb group is coming up with is a bit bonkers tbh but I greatly admire the way they've grabbed control of the narrative.

I think the goal is keeping it top of the local news. The recent movement appears to be focussed on finding more witnesses and confirming old sightings. Locals are locked on a suspect.

 

[SaintGertrude]

What is clear is that the Community Group is leading this investigation. I’ve never seen the TVP issue a statement for an online group to disseminate.
Anyone know of case where this has happened before?

The disappearance of Leah is not a homicide one but a community investigation. The police only usually actively pursue missing persons cases if they suspect foul play. This does not mean that they are uniterested and not following any new leads but they will have lists of people who they believe choose for whatever reason to disappear. If they do have new leads then I will be interested to see where this goes <modsnip>

 

[JuicyLucy]

The disappearance of Leah is not a homicide one but a community investigation. The police only usually actively pursue missing persons cases if they suspect foul play. This does not mean that they are uniterested and not following any new leads but they will have lists of people who they believe choose for whatever reason to disappear. If they do have new leads then I will be interested to see where this goes <modsnip>.

Do you think they do have new leads though? Aside from the 'girl in red' in the barn, which they were obliged to take a look at however farfetched it seemed, it seems to me that they are just being responsive to community interest in old leads, i.e. the crying girl by the lake. But there's nothing new, unless I've missed something?

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[Poopsnack]

The disappearance of Leah is not a homicide one but a community investigation. The police only usually actively pursue missing persons cases if they suspect foul play. This does not mean that they are uniterested and not following any new leads but they will have lists of people who they believe choose for whatever reason to disappear. If they do have new leads then I will be interested to see where this goes as many people on the FB group believe her disappearance was unintentional.

I agree. One huge recent change is the Family’s decision to step back a bit. Left the community to wonder if they (and the police) knew something that has not been released. I think it has more to do with a birth in the family. Either way, speculation has skyrocketed since the ‘confession’.

What also makes this case extra sad is the national media almost dropping their interest in the case after her brother passed.

 

[SaintGertrude]

I agree. One huge recent change is the Family’s decision to step back a bit. Left the community to wonder if they (and the police) knew something that has not been released. I think it has more to do with a birth in the family. Either way, speculation has skyrocketed since the ‘confession’.

What also makes this case extra sad is the national media almost dropping their interest in the case after her brother passed.

I would have thought unless Leah has been trafficked she would have at least reached out to the police regarding any signs of life. This is especially in light of the family heartache in losing their son. On the other hand there may be a terrible sense of feelings of guilt.

 

[Woodburnbay]

I am reading in both this group <modsnip> that people are suggesting a reasonably high degree of suicide in this case.
Whilst this is being said, no body has been found which you would expect.

Hayden took his life shortly after Leah disappeared and then there is talk that Leah could have done the same.

Is it normal for two people who live in a family home that is without troubles to both be suicidal. IMO.

 

[Cherwell]

Is it normal for two people who live in a family home that is without troubles to both be suicidal.

Firstly, we can't assume that there were no "troubles" within the family. And secondly, factors that push people into suicide often originate outside the family.

 

[JuicyLucy]

I actually feel the number of people here who think Leah committed suicide is quite small. It's often mentioned as one possibility, but my sense throughout all the threads has been that the majority of people believe foul play occurred. If the fb group favours suicide as an explanation, I'm curious to know why.

That aside, there's a certain amount of evidence that suicide does run in families, which may be genetic in the purest sense (i.e. a gene for suicidality itself) or in a wider sense (i.e. a genetic predisposition for one of a cluster of mental health disorders that raise suicide risk), or environmental (i.e. trouble at home), or a combination of factors.

Gene that raises suicide risk identified
Suicide does run in families, study suggests | Daily Mail Online
Suicide may run in the family. A closer look at genetic risk.

There's also a long recognised phenomenon of suicide contagion, in which suicides occur in clusters or as 'copycat' events.

THE CONTAGION OF SUICIDAL BEHAVIOR - Contagion of Violence - NCBI Bookshelf
Copycat suicide - Wikipedia

HC was severely depressed at the time of his death, and is said to have had a long and complex mental health history including previous suicide attempts. Although I don't personally favour suicide as an explanation for Leah's disappearance, it would in some ways fit the science.

Leah Croucher's brother Haydon 'was begging for help'
'Heart of gold' Brother of missing Milton Keynes woman Leah Croucher was begging for help for his mental health problems, inquest hears

 

[SaintGertrude]

Someone pointed this out to me as happened around the same time of Leah Crouchers disappearance.

Milton Keynes woman denies leaving her three dogs to starve to death in her seven-bedroom house

The dog owner said in her statements that she had to leave her farmhouse suddenly in February 2019 because she feared for her life after being attacked by people with a vendetta against her.

Note **Leah Croucher has been missing since February 15 2019**

Back to the Eaton Bray barn again. Shortly after my observation and finding what I thought was the exact place mentioned in the newspapers an eager eyed sleuth found the image of 'barn lady' on Google maps. This was confirmed as the very same farmhouse I found so I am keen to hear what the outcome was.

 

[SaintGertrude]

We know from the newspaper reports that the farmhouse at Eaton Bray was unoccupied at the time of Leah's disappearance. However, this cannot be strictly speaking true as how would dogs survive for longer than a few days without water. I think this needs to be looking into a lot more and feel sure there is a cover up with what the public have been told. Who were the people the farm owner was so afraid of any why where were charges of neglect dropped. Did Leah have any prior contact with any of people concerned or is it purely coincidental that she goes missing at the same time. So many unanswered questions here.

 

[JuicyLucy]

Back to the Eaton Bray barn again. Shortly after my observation and finding what I thought was the exact place mentioned in the newspapers an eager eyed sleuth found the image of 'barn lady' on Google maps. This was confirmed as the very same farmhouse I found so I am keen to hear what the outcome was.

Don't you think that they found the 'face' at the very same place simply because that's where they looked? I assume at least some of the people in the fb group are here too.

 

[SaintGertrude]

Don't you think that they found the 'face' at the very same place simply because that's where they looked? I assume at least some of the people in the fb group are here too.

I think there may well be things 'locals' are aware of that we don't know about and the post may have stirred things up if this is the case with some sleuths local to Milton Keynes following the thread.

 

[Poopsnack]

Is it normal for two people who live in a family home that is without troubles to both be suicidal. IMO.

It should be known that they were half-brother and sister and did not live in a family home. Although, I don’t think this fact changes anything about my thoughts on the matter.

 

[JuicyLucy]

I think there may well be things 'locals' are aware of that we don't know about and the post may have stirred things up if this is the case with some sleuths local to Milton Keynes following the thread.

Sure, but what I'm saying is that if they had looked instead at google images of Wayne Couzens' woodland, they would probably have found something face-like there too, because that's how the human brain works. But it wouldn't have been indicative of the fact that local people had good reason to believe there was a link between him and Leah, so much as that people reading this thread might have seen him mentioned, wanted to take a closer look, and almost inevitably found something face-like. I think that's all that's happened in relation to the EB farm.

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[SaintGertrude]

Sure, but what I'm saying is that if they had looked instead at google images of Wayne Couzens' woodland, they would probably have found something face-like there too, because that's how the human brain works. But it wouldn't have been indicative of the fact that local people had good reason to believe there was a link between him and Leah, so much as that people reading this thread might have seen him mentioned, wanted to take a closer look, and almost inevitably found something face-like. I think that's all that's happened in relation to the EB farm.



Sorry, I don't know what this refers to. Could you elaborate @Poopsnack?

Yeah I looked at Wayne Couzens old repair garage and a crane is there digging on Google maps two Months after it was closed down and derelict. Think of the body which could have slipped into the dug hole. That is how an over imaginative mind works.
The 'barn face' in Leah Croucher case certainly took me by surprise when I read the news and it looks a bit creepy like an apparition.

 

[SaintGertrude]

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EXCLUSIVE: Sharp-eyed member of the public unearths what could prove to be vital lead in case of missing Leah Croucher from Milton Keynes
Quote: One Eaton Bray resident said: "The house was empty and on the market at the time. We saw police digging up the grounds and people were told it was part of the search for Leah Croucher. The property was even taken off the market for a while until the police had finished."

 

[SaintGertrude]

This is not far from Milton Keynes
I looked at the Sarah Benford disappearance previously and make a comment about it not being that far from where Leah went missing. About 35 miles I think which by car is nothing journey wise.
Sarah went missing 21 years ago.
https://www.northants.police.uk/new...rd-murder-police-searching-land-in-kettering/