Found Deceased UK - Leah Croucher, 19, Emerson Valley, Milton Keynes, 14 Feb 2019 #5

[SaintGertrude]

Is 29 the current age of Mr X?

(I am not in the FB group so don’t know the theories there).

Now that would be an interesting point you have made.

 

[JuicyLucy]

Is 29 the current age of Mr X?
(I am not in the FB group so don’t know the theories there).

It is. But anyone wanting to point the finger at him would do it much more effectively by writing X, you'd have thought.

 

[SaintGertrude]

Another Christmas for the Croucher family without Leah.
"Our hope has faded" admit heartbroken parents of missing Leah Croucher from Milton Keynes

 

[SaintGertrude]

Interesting
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/17034847/leah-croucher-sleuths-blast-police/

 

[Cherwell]

Interesting
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/17034847/leah-croucher-sleuths-blast-police/

Laughable.

 

[Thebutlerdiditagain]

"This truly looks like a case of a missing person, perhaps even sex trafficking."

The spokesman claimed police "watch too much television" and withhold information from the group because they "know nothing and it looks bad".

I THINK IT IS THIS GROUP WHO WATCH TOO MUCH TV.

sex trafficking, close to solving it, withholding information from them!

If I was the police and read that, I would be 100% sure i was correct to keep these crackpots at arms length

Ridiculous comments, her poor family have enough to deal with without these Chinese whispers like the blurry photo by the barn, how that ever got in would be comical if this was not so serious a situation.

 

[Cherwell]

"A spokesman for the group - who refused to be named or pictured -"
Yeah, right.

I was particularly impressed by this piercing insight:
"If you look closely, Leah is still missing."

 

[SaintGertrude]

Laughable.

I have asked a representative from the group quoted in the paper and they said that someone had impersonated one of their admin and agreed to do an interview with the Sun and that they were trying to get to the bottom of things. He went on to say in a private message "This article doesn't represent the group in any way at all and we are fully in support of the police"

Don't shoot me I am just the messenger

 

[SaintGertrude]

"This truly looks like a case of a missing person, perhaps even sex trafficking."

The spokesman claimed police "watch too much television" and withhold information from the group because they "know nothing and it looks bad".

I THINK IT IS THIS GROUP WHO WATCH TOO MUCH TV.

sex trafficking, close to solving it, withholding information from them!

If I was the police and read that, I would be 100% sure i was correct to keep these crackpots at arms length

Ridiculous comments, her poor family have enough to deal with without these Chinese whispers like the blurry photo by the barn, how that ever got in would be comical if this was not so serious a situation.

Quote from a police Graduate Detective Programme - 'Assume nothing, believe no-one and challenge everything’ your decisions should be based on evidence'.

 

[SaintGertrude]

Looking at derelict places near Milton Keynes it looks like a farmhouse, Eaton Bray may have been unoccupied in 2019 as advertised by Hunters Tring & Leighton Buzzard Estate agents in 2020 on YT and looks derelict.

I have been going through all the postings and back to square one.
Now we have the barn photo and talk in the Sun newspaper of human trafficking. It has also since been confirmed by locals that the Eaton Bray place was were someone left dogs to starve in February 2019 and was derelict when Leah went missing.
Is my original find a red herring as so much has been said since this one piece of information I mentioned about.

 

[SaintGertrude]

Leah lived at home with her parents and teens sometimes don’t want their parents to know what they’re doing. Could she possibly have been on internet dating sites and arranged to meet someone at a hotel from that? If then stopped by someone she had met before she would get into a car with them.

Or - thinking of the WC case again - if a Police Officer stopped her and showed her his warrant card. I guess after all this time there isn’t much hope of finding further cctv.

But as with the SE case it sounds to me like her phone being turned off at the time she disappeared is significant.

The Met found a WhatsApp group of officers exchanging material and that included someone from another force in Norfolk.

Leah's disappearance happened before lockdown and she was walking to work in the daylight. The person WC abducted and murdered was walking around in an evening during lockdown and sadly targeted.
However, police are looking to see if he committed other crimes - Detectives investigate whether killer policeman Wayne Couzens committed other crimes

Then we have someone else in the news from the same unit as Wayne Couzens - Serving Met Police officer from same unit as Wayne Couzens charged with rape

A former police officer from Nottinghamshire was also brought before a misconduct panel but nothing in the media so unable to make any further comments with this.
Professional Standards Directorate (PSD) Misconduct hearings

Stella123 It is interesting what you say about corrupt police officers and the Whats app group exchanging materials in Norfolk. I will need to read up on this account as new to me. Norfolk police officer part of vile Whatsapp group with Sarah Everard's killer

I still cannot see anything here that would link Leah Croucher from Milton Keynes up with any corrupt police but shocked to find there are so many cases.

 

[SaintGertrude]

I know that the Eaton Bray theory doesn't fit with most people but I hope they checked any old wells when the police were searching. Hosted By Bedford Borough Council: Old Ley Farm - 7 The Rye Eaton Bray

Very near to the place they searched but not sure if the well would be now unused and covered over of long forgotten:-
The farmhouse still comprised two reception rooms, a kitchen and a dairy downstairs, with four bedrooms above. Water from a well.

 

[SaintGertrude]

I know that the Eaton Bray theory doesn't fit with most people but I hope they checked any old wells when the police were searching. Hosted By Bedford Borough Council: Old Ley Farm - 7 The Rye Eaton Bray

Very near to the place they searched but not sure if the well would be now unused and covered over of long forgotten:-
The farmhouse still comprised two reception rooms, a kitchen and a dairy downstairs, with four bedrooms above. Water from a well.

There is also this old well about three miles from Eaton Bray
Water Well Record "SP92SE16: WELL HEAD (DUNSTABLE DOWNS) EATON BRAY" at BNG 499510,220210 (+/- 10 METRES) (length unknown)

 

[JuicyLucy]

I have been going through all the postings and back to square one.
Now we have the barn photo and talk in the Sun newspaper of human trafficking. It has also since been confirmed by locals that the Eaton Bray place was were someone left dogs to starve in February 2019 and was derelict when Leah went missing.
Is my original find a red herring as so much has been said since this one piece of information I mentioned about.

I think the problem with the EB 'connection' is that the evidence for it is all very circular and self-referential.

The dog cruelty story may be real, but because the woman at the heart of it threw Leah's name into the mix for reasons that have never been verified, the area has attracted the attention of people who are keen to find some link to Leah there. That encouraged someone in the fb group to comb through google streetview to try and find some 'evidence' she was there, and that gave rise to the 'face' in the barn. That in turn brought the fb group to the attention of TVP and the media. And that's the only reason why the Sun is now writing about the possibility of Leah being caught up in a trafficking scenario - not because there's any actual evidence for it.

So I think it is a red herring, yes, not necessarily deliberately, but because of something that was said back in 2019 without fully considering the implications, that then took on a life of its own.

ETA: In my opinion, anything linked geographically to EB should probably then be considered 'fruit of the poison tree', as it were, as the logical path that put EB in the spotlight in the first place is almost certainly unreliable.

JMO

 

[SaintGertrude]

I think the problem with the EB 'connection' is that the evidence for it is all very circular and self-referential.

The dog cruelty story may be real, but because the woman at the heart of it threw Leah's name into the mix for reasons that have never been verified, the area has attracted the attention of people who are keen to find some link to Leah there. That encouraged someone in the fb group to comb through google streetview to try and find some 'evidence' she was there, and that gave rise to the 'face' in the barn. That in turn brought the fb group to the attention of TVP and the media. And that's the only reason why the Sun is now writing about the possibility of Leah being caught up in a trafficking scenario - not because there's any actual evidence for it.

So I think it is a red herring, yes, not necessarily deliberately, but because of something that was said back in 2019 without fully considering the implications, that then took on a life of its own.

ETA: In my opinion, anything linked geographically to EB should probably then be considered 'fruit of the poison tree', as it were, as the logical path that put EB in the spotlight in the first place is almost certainly unreliable.

JMO

I think the big question and the only factual one apart from the lady with the dogs being real is why did police need to search the barn if it was a case of dog neglect which would fall under the hands of the RSPCA. Another interesting factor which I have found out is that the lady never got prosecuted for animal cruelty.

 

[Cherwell]

The dog cruelty story may be real, but because the woman at the heart of it threw Leah's name into the mix for reasons that have never been verified, the area has attracted the attention of people who are keen to find some link to Leah there.

Is there any reliable source for this? What did she say and to whom did she say it, allegedly?

 

[JuicyLucy]

Is there any reliable source for this? What did she say and to whom did she say it, allegedly?

No, none of it's ever been verified afaik - either what she said, why she said it, or even whether she said it at all. Her alleged comments then formed the basis on which people started looking at EB in the first place. Having looked, they publicised what they thought they'd found, which is now being discussed in MSM.

My point was that it then becomes a circular argument to claim that the discussion of these matters in MSM is a justification for believing that there's anything to any of it.

I guess I should have said, "because the woman at the heart of it threw Leah's name into the mix for reasons that have never been verified - assuming you believe that she did - ". Apologies for any confusion.

 

[SaintGertrude]

No, none of it's ever been verified afaik - either what she said, why she said it, or even whether she said it at all. Her alleged comments then formed the basis on which people started looking at EB in the first place. Having looked, they publicised what they thought they'd found, which is now being discussed in MSM.

My point was that it then becomes a circular argument to claim that the discussion of these matters in MSM is a justification for believing that there's anything to any of it.

I guess I should have said, "because the woman at the heart of it threw Leah's name into the mix for reasons that have never been verified - assuming you believe that she did - ". Apologies for any confusion.

I think that if there is anything associated with Leah regarding this Eaton Bray place for which I am open minded there has got to be some physical evidence like body remains or at least more evidence to back things up, witness testimonies, people making similar reports, CCTV evidence. Without this In my opinion as far as the police are concerned it is a closed book. They have searched the place for whatever reason and came away with nothing.
It would be the perfect place for a drugs or sex trafficking ring to hide while the owner flees and leaves the property empty and yes it would be perfect timing in relation to Leah's disappearance but where is the proof of the pudding. At the moment we have a police search and nothing found and a photo of an unidentified face (or whatever one can make of it) in a barn in March 2019 the Month after Leah Croucher's disappearance.
I only mentioned the same place earlier on in posts as it was an empty building and for the reasons above except the barn image which came later and was certainly not me who reported seeing the image. If something does come out of the barn image then all due respect to the person who found it.

 

[Cherwell]

No, none of it's ever been verified afaik - either what she said, why she said it, or even whether she said it at all. Her alleged comments then formed the basis on which people started looking at EB in the first place. Having looked, they publicised what they thought they'd found, which is now being discussed in MSM.

My point was that it then becomes a circular argument to claim that the discussion of these matters in MSM is a justification for believing that there's anything to any of it.

I guess I should have said, "because the woman at the heart of it threw Leah's name into the mix for reasons that have never been verified - assuming you believe that she did - ". Apologies for any confusion.

No, that's OK. I just wanted confirmation that there's no evidence that this woman ever mentioned Leah Croucher in connection with her property.

 

[SaintGertrude]

No, that's OK. I just wanted confirmation that there's no evidence that this woman ever mentioned Leah Croucher in connection with her property.

No she has never mentioned Leah Croucher.
I think Juicy Lucy will say the same but over to Lucy now for a response.