GUILTY UK - Lee Pomeroy, 51, stabbed to death on train, Surrey, 4 January 2019

[Tortoise]

You reckon we might get a verdict today?

I've changed my mind, make that a no.

 

[Tortoise]

Central Criminal Court 5 T20197047
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Chelsea Phyliss Mitchell
Darren Pencille
Details: Trial (Part Heard) - Jury retire to consider verdict - 10:13
Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 10:15 - 16:24

 

[Alyce]

So they have had about 10 hours so far.

Do we think CM is the problem...how culpable she was....or is it both of them they are struggling with ?

 

[Tortoise]

So they have had about 10 hours so far.

Do we think CM is the problem...how culpable she was....or is it both of them they are struggling with ?

Maybe they think Lee was threatening. Or maybe this will be a majority verdict, or having two defendants to deliberate over is making it take longer.

 

[Alyce]

Every time I watch the train video I am silently screaming, just walk away Lee and leave it

 

[Elainera]

Yeah I think he did not for a second think that guy had a knife with him. He did not see the danger he was in. It's really sad.

 

[Tortoise]

10:00
The wait resumes
There was no verdict yesterday, so the jury will return to their room today and continue deliberating.

If there is a verdict today, and hopefully there will be, we will bring you live updates here.

Verdicts due in Lee Pomeroy murder trial - live updates

 

[Elainera]

So they have had about 10 hours so far.

Do we think CM is the problem...how culpable she was....or is it both of them they are struggling with ?

Yes I could imagine assessing CM's guilt would take a bit longer as she was described as mentally "slow" and with below-average IQ. That could bring up a discussion about how much she suspected or if she suspected anything at all. IIRC according to her it was only in the evening that it dawned on her what he had done, when she saw the stabbing being covered in the news. Did she say what she did next? I think she wasn't asked while giving testimony, or it wasn't reported. She should have called police right away, I think she didn't. But I have to admit I'm a bit hazy on the details. In any case imo her guilt is not as clear cut as his, so that might be why it's taking some time.

 

[Alyce]

Bringing this bit back up - CMs response when she saw the news about the murder



Chelsea Mitchell is asked if the flat was a hiding place?
She replies no.
They return to her home later that night and it’s there at around 10pm that she sees posts on Facebook referencing the stabbing at the station.

Chelsea Mitchell says: “My body shut down and froze” as she linked the events.
She said she didn’t ask Pencille about it as she knew police would be there soon.
CM: “I didn’t know anything that happened on the train”.

 

[Elainera]

She said she didn’t ask Pencille about it as she knew police would be there soon.

How did she know? Was she assuming police would come soon because she read it was all captured on cctv maybe?

I think the reporting had gaps here. I would imagine that the prosecution asked her what she did, did she call police? And if she did the defence would have emphasized that fact. But it sounds to me like she didn't.

When was he arrested? That same evening or the next day?

I'm trying to put myself in her shoes, assuming for a moment that she is telling the truth, I would not call police in front of the person who just killed someone, partner or not, and who I know is anyway mentally unstable. I would wait for a moment I can get out of earshot without raising suspicion. There was a child too in the home right?

Well but she could have send a message to their facebook page, for example ....

Like I said I find it not so easy to establish her guilt. Maybe it's different for the jury who seen how she comes across on the stand.

All moo.

 

[Tortoise]

10:28
Deliberations continue
The jury has been sent out again to continue deliberating.

They have now spent almost 16 hours discussing their verdicts.

Verdicts due in Lee Pomeroy murder trial - live updates

 

[CoverMeCagney]

We need that 'tapping fingers' emoji back.

 

[Tortoise]

14:00KEY EVENT
Verdicts expected
Before lunch, Mrs Justice Cheema-Grubb informed the jury that she would accept a majority verdict of 11-1 or 10-2 if they could not reach a unanimous decision.

Now we have been told that they have reached verdicts, which will be delivered imminently.

Verdicts due in Lee Pomeroy murder trial - live updates

 

[Tortoise]

14:08
Judge enters
Mrs Justice Cheema-Grubb has entered Court 3, both Darren Pencille and Chelsea Mitchell are in the dock.

All we need now is the jury.

 

[Tortoise]

14:09
Jury enters
The jurors file in to deliver their verdict.


Verdicts due in Lee Pomeroy murder trial - live updates

 

[Tortoise]

14:10KEY EVENT
Pencille guilty of murder
Darren Pencille is found guilty of murder by unanimous verdict.

He makes no reaction.


Verdicts due in Lee Pomeroy murder trial - live updates

 

[Tortoise]

14:10KEY EVENT
Mitchell guilty of assisting an offender
Chelsea Mitchell is found guilty of assisting an offender by a majority of 11-1.


Verdicts due in Lee Pomeroy murder trial - live updates

 

[Alyce]

We need that 'tapping fingers' emoji back.

 

[bluebird69]

The outcome I had hoped for. Surprised at unanimous but glad.

 

[Tortoise]

Nikki Mitchell on Twitter

Body camera footage by @BTP shows armed police arresting train killer, Darren Pencille, 36. He stabbed Lee Pomeroy, 51, to death after an argument escalated into a frenzied attack in January on board a train near #Guildford #Surrey @BBCSouthNews @BBCSurrey