GUILTY UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #2 *ARREST*

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  • #481
You don't bounce when you calmly get into a car and sit down.
She clearly bounces.
That makes me convinced she was more or less thrown onto the seat.

She does bounce, yeah, but that doesn't indicate force to me, just quite severe intoxication. I sometimes fall into my dad's car like that when he picks me up from pub. Lack of co-ordination, poor spatial awareness and tiredness. :)
 
  • #482
Not if a bit tipsy and you plonk yourself in a car. You'd bounce. Especially if tall and heavy
And after you sit you adjust yourself which might look like a bounce on a highly sped up video.
 
  • #483
Not if a bit tipsy and you plonk yourself in a car. You'd bounce. Especially if tall and heavy
I agree - if you plonk yourself in a car you'd bounce. But the passenger seems to be 'assisted' into the car.
 
  • #484
I would always sit in the front of a private hire cab. It would feel very stuck up to sit on my own in the back.

I'd sit in the front and have a chat with the driver on the journey.
 
  • #485
I wonder if police have been able to enhance the footage.
 
  • #486
You don't bounce when you calmly get into a car and sit down.
She clearly bounces.
That makes me convinced she was more or less thrown onto the seat.
I dunno, I have a tendrncy to bounce when I sit down hence why I get through sofa's every couple of years
 
  • #487
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Regarding the shorts, and I agree it’s definitely shorts (or boxer shorts!) - possibly returning home after a late night gym/MMA session?

Someone suggested his work shifts would end at 6pm. So entirely plausible that he’d get home from work, food and see the kids to bed, then back out to the gym once they’re all asleep.

Just struggling to imagine anyone looking for illegal taxi work setting out in shorts, especially in recent weather

There is is a 24 hour gym on clough road I think
 
  • #488
There hasn't been any mention of a bag, but she was wearing a leather jacket. If she had taken it off for any reason he could have thrown that in after her?
 
  • #489
I wonder if police have been able to enhance the footage.

Absolutely without a doubt.
I reckon he's already confirmed this is him and Libby.
 
  • #490
This is the problem: the sister said this in her interview:

"I don't believe my brother could do it. We were raised to be good people. He was driving and he stopped because he noticed a girl crying.

"She asked him to take her home, so he put her address into his sat nav and wanted to do just that. Apparently she threw herself at him, but he pushed her away because he is a married man."


He wouldn't have been able to see a girl crying from around the corner
She wouldn't have asked to go home since she was a block away with no keys
The video does not show him pushing anybody away
He doesn't have enough time to put an address in his Sat Nav. before he is pulling away

If this is the story he told the police he is in trouble
 
  • #491
Hi everyone, I don't know if it's just the wording (possibly) but just going through the daily mail's updated article and it states that his mum was unaware that he was a part time taxi driver. Is that just saying he had no reason to drop her off anywhere as he isn't a taxi driver?
This feeds into a notion I had that perhaps he was out working illegally as a taxi driver. Maybe he put a sign up on the car and this is the reason Libby got into his vehicle but refused help from the first driver. Then his reluctance to come forward with information not only because he was the last person to see Libby alive but because he was working illegally. This could explain how he potentially justified being out late/ possibly all night to his wife at home with a baby and toddler. I realise that all along I have been assuming that Libby knew where she was and was choosing to sit on the bench because it was near to her house and also on the main route back from the Welly, where she hoped to spot a friend making their way home. But then I remembered that at that age, I once got out of a taxi accidentally in the street right beside mine and was so drunk I had no idea where I was, just that I couldn’t see a front door that looked like mine. I sat on a nearby wall in a haze until a flatmate of mine (thank God) knew I had left a half hour earlier than him in a taxi and went on foot to look for me. Maybe Libby was actually in 2 taxis that night. So which one did her neighbours see her get out of and flee down the street from? I think that the driver with the grey hair and beard that she refused help from is crucial in determining her level of awareness/ perception
 
  • #492
This is the problem: the sister said this in her interview:

"I don't believe my brother could do it. We were raised to be good people. He was driving and he stopped because he noticed a girl crying.

"She asked him to take her home, so he put her address into his sat nav and wanted to do just that. Apparently she threw herself at him, but he pushed her away because he is a married man."


He wouldn't have been able to see a girl crying from around the corner
She wouldn't have asked to go home since she was a block away with no keys
The video does not show him pushing anybody away
He doesn't have enough time to put an address in his Sat Nav. before he is pulling away

If this is the story he told the police he is in trouble

Seems more like the story he is telling his wife
 
  • #493
Just to cover any illogical behaviour on the part of libby....

In normal circumstances,of course nobody sensible would either try to take a taxi ride when home is literally around the corner.....
Nor would they try to go to a house for which they had no keys.
But.........

During my periods of severe inebriation, i have awoken in the oddest of places and to this day have no recall of getting there.
I have attempted to exit taxis at 45 mph (stupidly thinking it was stationary) ..i could fill a whole thread with unbelievably stupid things that happened whilst in the grip of alcohol....
So i would not necessarily be looking for the logic from Libby's side of things.

Just a further thought....

If a bouncer deemed that Libby was too intoxicated to allow her access to the club...should there not be some method in place to prevent young women from being turned onto the city streets whilst clearly in a state of vulnerability?
 
  • #494
This feeds into a notion I had that perhaps he was out working illegally as a taxi driver. Maybe he put a sign up on the car and this is the reason Libby got into his vehicle but refused help from the first driver. Then his reluctance to come forward with information not only because he was the last person to see Libby alive but because he was working illegally. This could explain how he potentially justified being out late/ possibly all night to his wife at home with a baby and toddler. I realise that all along I have been assuming that Libby knew where she was and was choosing to sit on the bench because it was near to her house and also on the main route back from the Welly, where she hoped to spot a friend making their way home. But then I remembered that at that age, I once got out of a taxi accidentally in the street right beside mine and was so drunk I had no idea where I was, just that I couldn’t see a front door that looked like mine. I sat on a nearby wall in a haze until a flatmate of mine (thank God) knew I had left a half hour earlier than him in a taxi and went on foot to look for me. Maybe Libby was actually in 2 taxis that night. So which one did her neighbours see her get out of and flee down the street from? I think that the driver with the grey hair and beard that she refused help from is crucial in determining her level of awareness/ perception

Good question re which taxi!
 
  • #495
I'm wondering why the person in the video was parked in that spot in the first place, looking on google earth it seems to not be the easiest place to get to, he'd have had to drive to the dead end bit and turn round to park up. I just don't see what the reason would be to do that.

I'm not convinced by the illegal taxi theory, you'd not get any fares sitting there and you've got the back streets to drive through to get back to the main road as far as I can see

I'm still stumped
 
  • #496
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There is is a 24 hour gym on clough road I think

The selfie of him at the gym is definitely the one on Clough Road.
 
  • #497
This may be why she came away from her flat to an area where there are cabs

She wanted to catch a cab back
 
  • #498
Seems more like the story he is telling his wife
I think this might be why the video was released. His family may have additional information.
 
  • #499
We don't know, but logic says that's why It's been released and referred to as central to the investigation.

Thanks did not know it was confirmed to be his car.
 
  • #500
This is the problem: the sister said this in her interview:

"I don't believe my brother could do it. We were raised to be good people. He was driving and he stopped because he noticed a girl crying.

"She asked him to take her home, so he put her address into his sat nav and wanted to do just that. Apparently she threw herself at him, but he pushed her away because he is a married man."


He wouldn't have been able to see a girl crying from around the corner
She wouldn't have asked to go home since she was a block away with no keys
The video does not show him pushing anybody away
He doesn't have enough time to put an address in his Sat Nav. before he is pulling away

If this is the story he told the police he is in trouble

I think he drove past her on Bev Rd, stopped for the traffic lights and quite possibly saw Grey Beard talking to her. He hung a right and drove round to where he turned the car round and parked up. This totally fits the timescales we've been given (GreyBeard approx 11:45, car parked there from approx 11:49)
 
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