Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #5 *ARREST*

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Hello all, I’ve been following and reading with great interest and have a possible theory of my own. This is based partly on my behaviour at the same age as Libby, the self harming suggestions makes me feel that her mindset may be similar to mine at her age.

She returns home, disorientated when taxi driver drops her off. Doesn’t realise she is back or just doesn’t want to go in there alone feeling deflated and upset the night has come to premature end. The bench-I’ve done the same myself many times, just randomly sat down when drunk but feeling that you’re in a public place. The old guy who approached probably concerned her, we all have stereotypes. I would have declined his help. Then PR spots her and approaches as she’s upset. He is younger, not unattractive and doesn’t seem a threat, I agree with another earlier post that the Eastern European accent can be more charming/less intimidating, in certain situations. He probably asks if she wants to go home and maybe with him as comfort she agrees. It’s quite possible that she does tell him her postcode, sometimes it’s one of those things that is programmed into you when drunk, like you need to remember facts and they just come randomly. So he might have put it into the Nav as even if he’d been there before it might not have registered in his mind where he was. I don’t know the street names surrounding me despite walking past them quite regularly.

Next I’m thinking one of two things happened. She maybe did seem interested in him a little? I’ve done it under the influence, especially someone who is insecure and then there’s this chance of some attention. So did he drive and park somewhere near the park to be initimate? And thought all his luck had come at once before Libby suddenly realised he was full on and she made a run for it? In the dark, freezing, drunk and disorientated? Perhaps she did have an accident? And then he returns home in a panic because he is married and has a history of the crimes we have discovered and can’t afford to have all of that exposed (excuse the pun).

Alternatively the opposite happens and he makes the move on her and the same result is she does a runner. Maybe she even falls asleep in the car if he drives for a bit and then she catches him doing something inappropriate to himself when she wakes up?

So he keeps his head down for the following days but police find some footage with him in it and make the arrest. They discover her postcode in ‘a’ sat nav (not built in I realise) and when he calls family to explain why he’s been arrested he tells wife/sister the story. Only he can’t tell the the part about being parked up because he has a wife and children to consider so simply says he took her home.

So the police might consider this abduction because he didn’t plan to take her home as he went to the park but they can’t charge him with anything more because the end result was an accident? And of course they don’t yet have proof of that.
 
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Jmo but in order to hold him they would have to show either she was in his car at some point or at least he communicated with her that night

They have video of her getting in the car and he admits it. Then she was never seen again.

That is easily enough for arrest on suspicion of abduction.
 
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Yes but then he was released so the evidence wasn't that convincing.

The law says you are innocent until proven guilty. They don't even seem to have enough on him for abduction. He must have iron clad proof that he dropped her off and went his seperate ways.

Perhaps the police are using him to look like they have a clue when really they don't?
He may not have proof he dropped her off ...its down to the police to prove he didn't in order to charge
 
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So the police might consider this abduction because he didn’t plan to take her home as he went to the park but they can’t charge him with anything more because the end result was an accident? And of course they don’t yet have prove of that.

Welcome!

Yes this is exactly the problem. As far as charging someone, that is very difficult while they don't know where Libby is.

What crime has even been committed here? No one can say with certainty.
 
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What if PR really did just throw on a pair of shorts and his wellies to go get himself a packet of cigarettes and have himself a little "me" time?

Imagine just nipping out for some smokes and a wank....and waking up to the sight of yourself enthusiastically enjoying the solitude splashed all over the news!!

Andy Warhol probably did not have this type of "fame" in mind:)
 
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There is no evidence to my knowledge that confirms the car in cobweb cctv belongs to PR. There is no evidence that LS ever got into that or any other vehicle. There is no evidence to suggest PR and LS ever came into contact with each other. Now it’s possible the police do have evidence to support this but if they do it is not in the public domain so we should not assume that it exists. If it did exist then I he would have been charged with abduction as LS is still missing.
That's not a given though

We know the police would have needed some evidence he was with her that night in order to keep him so long for questioning

He would not be charged automatically if they have proof she was in his car ..not on that alone
 
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They have video of her getting in the car and he admits it. Then she was never seen again.

That is easily enough for arrest on suspicion of abduction.
I agree that is likely...but we do not know for sure as no confirmation from police yet
 
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This is the point I was trying to make. You can put as much sway on the cobweb car as you like but it’s not evidence.
If there was any actual evidence that LS had been in his Astra and due to the fact she is still missing he would have been charged with abduction. They would have months before the trial to find LS to complete the puzzle.

This is absolutely not correct.

1. In order to arrest and hold a suspect for days on end on suspicion of abduction, the police absolutely must have some evidence of abduction.

2. CPS cannot charge without a reasonable prospect of success based on evidence held. They cannot charge while hoping Libby turns up later.

Mere evidence of Libby being in the car is not sufficient evidence of abduction - especially when the video evidence can be interpreted as her entering the car of her own free will.
 
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i cant see how the business owners of the electrical company left just after 12. On the cctv the silver car blocks the gates. They would need to get a vehicle out of the gates? unless the other car seen drive past is one of theirs.
 
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I relate to Gemzz90's thoughts about what might have happened - I have got myself into difficult situations as a student when drunk - sometimes emotional and glad of any attention or affection but then realising I have made a mistake. This just has some shades of Gaia Pope for me in that she was presumed to have been abducted or harmed, CCTV was found, people were questioned but she had made her own way into bushes and sadly died. I just wonder if Libby ran away panicking and has sadly fallen into water or possibly jumped if feeling desperate. She clearly has self harmed in the past. Just a thought as the police still say they have an open mind about her disappearence.
 
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i cant see how the business owners of the electrical company left just after 12. On the cctv the silver car blocks the gates. They would need to get a vehicle out of the gates? unless the other car seen drive past is one of theirs.

Could they not have parked on Haworth? The car we see leaving?
 
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Just reading in the Mail about the Hollie Gazzard case, made me think: we haven't heard about any boyfriend/girlfriend LS had, either recently or in the last years?
No. The early police presence (the day she was reported missing) at the Courtyard student accommodation, Inglemire Lane made me wonder if she had a pal there though. From Google maps there doesn't seem to be a direct bus from Beverley to Inglemire so she'd have been waiting at the wrong bus stop if that was her intention (locals correct me if I'm wrong). Maybe police went there on day 1 because friends thought she could have made her way there to stay over with someone. All my speculation of course and doesn't add much I know.
 
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I agree that is likely...but we do not know for sure as no confirmation from police yet

The fact that they seized a similar car is all just 9 Dimensional Chess and Psy Ops :D

I agree, we know nothing for sure - but i have a hard time believing she did not get in that car and the police want us to believe that as well
 
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Could they not have parked on Haworth? The car we see leaving?

thats what im leaning towards. Is this why the footage is cut of the guy smoking, does it show the owners leaving.
 
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If he got her in his car
Scenario 1 ) willingly , things went wrong she ran off and something happened to her
Scenario 2) under force , she ran off something happened to her

What would he be charged with please ?
 
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I relate to Gemzz90's thoughts about what might have happened - I have got myself into difficult situations as a student when drunk - sometimes emotional and glad of any attention or affection but then realising I have made a mistake. This just has some shades of Gaia Pope for me in that she was presumed to have been abducted or harmed, CCTV was found, people were questioned but she had made her own way into bushes and sadly died. I just wonder if Libby ran away panicking and has sadly fallen into water or possibly jumped if feeling desperate. She clearly has self harmed in the past. Just a thought as the police still say they have an open mind about her disappearence.
Initially that's exactly what I thought - a Gaia Pope-type situation. But then PR was arrested and his sister told the media that LS was in his car, which his mother has subsequently backed up. Then footage emerged that seemed to show LS getting into PR's car, confirming what his sister and mother said. Then after several days in custody, PR was charged with a number of crimes that would show - if he's found guilty - that he's a weirdo and a sexual deviant. So now I ask myself whether, given all of the above, it's more likely that LS fell/jumped into water or that PR killed her and hid her body. And I'm leaning towards the latter.
 
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Jmo but in order to hold him they would have to show either she was in his car at some point or at least he communicated with her that night

So if he straight admitted that and confirmed that the CCTV showed him picking Libby up, and said that he'd just dropped her off and has no idea where she went, would that be enough to detain him?

I'm getting scared that a) Libby is never going to be found and b) that there is no evidence of abduction and he'll get away with it*

*whatever 'it' is - and I'm sorry but given his previous I think it's very unlikely he was simply being a good samaritan
 
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Initially that's exactly what I thought - Gaia Pope-type situation. But then PR was arrested and his sister told the media that LS was in his car, which his mother has subsequently backed up. Then footage emerged that seemed to show LS getting into PR's car, confirming what his sister and mother said. Then after several days in custody, PR was charged with a number of crimes that would show - if he's found guilty - that he's a weirdo and a sexual deviant. So now I ask myself whether, given all of the above, it's more likely that LS fell/jumped into water or that PR killed her and hid her body. And I'm leaning towards the latter.

Exactly, for me it's a stretch to believe he was just a knight in shining armour doing a good deed that night. He's a deviant predator and he found vulnerable prey, is what I think.
 
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So if he straight admitted that and confirmed that the CCTV showed him picking Libby up, and said that he'd just dropped her off and has no idea where she went, would that be enough to detain him?

I'm getting scared that a) Libby is never going to be found and b) that there is no evidence of abduction and he'll get away with it*

*whatever 'it' is - and I'm sorry but given his previous I think it's very unlikely he was simply being a good samaritan
If he admitted to police that Libby was in his car but claimed he dropped her off somewhere, that would probably be enough to justify the interview extensions but not enough to charge him with abduction. It sounds like he's got a story that he's sticking to, and until the police find a body they're going to struggle to prove he's lying.
 
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