Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #6 *ARREST*

[Ryuk]

Or he is a unlicensed taxi operator and picked up another random person and took them home.

I drive a cab in Hull.

I can tell you that the unlicensed drivers are almost exclusively parked near to places of high drunken footfall. Not parked off in some odd side street.

If they are not parked up then they have usually already dropped off and are making their way along one of the main city roads back towards a place where there is a high chance of touting another fare.

 

[cybervampira]

Here’s another missing person (arrest just made) for our lovely UK sleuths:

UK - UK - Joy Morgan, 20, Hatfield, Hertfordshire, Dec 2018

 

[PaddyOreally?]

That would make sound travel away from the houses I think. Might have a look at the wind speed coz I'm sure it was very windy around that time. Where I live all you could hear was just wind blowing all night!

Actually I think the wind was 11mph blowing slightly south west.

So the sound might have been able to travel further than where it was actually seemed to be coming from?

I'm not an expert on wind but I'm sure sound travels further on the wind.

Also the wind was blowing towards the witness house from the direction on the pond.

 

[LucyRocket]

He’s also been known as a lovely faithful kind family man. He’s manipulating, he’ll open a door if it means he’ll get what he wants...

It's well documented how narcissists, predators, abusers are charming. They need to be to achieve their goal

 

[PaddyOreally?]

It's well documented how narcissists, predators, abusers are charming. They need to be to achieve their goal

People always say that but they always seem like creepy weirdos to me.

 

[Zazie]

JMO, the one thing going for the Heathcote screams timing is that the person was awake reading and had a light on. Maybe more reliable than someone being woken up, peering at clock, fumbling for light, thinking 'WTH? Did I actually hear that?'.

True - though the Heathcote witness only reported it on Saturday after prompting, so the timing might be retrospectively constructed, as it were.

“We didn’t think about it again until the police came round knocking on everybody’s doors on Saturday.
We talked about it and remembered the scream and rang 101.”

 

[flowerpot]

Your (1): JMO, the one thing going for the Heathcote screams timing is that the person was awake reading and had a light on. Maybe more reliable than someone being woken up, peering at clock, fumbling for light, thinking 'WTH? Did I actually hear that?' (Once I woke up from dozing on my sofa after a very vivid nightmare about being burgled while sleeping on my sofa. Sooo scared!).

(3) It was reported as screams being heard, then running man seen.

Yep, I'd say if was having a vivid dream like that I'd be flying off that sofa awake!! You make a fair point re the 'Heathcote screams' initially I thought they could be more accurate as like you say she was awake reading. I'd considered, as suggested on an earlier thread here that the 'park screams' could be foxes and they were later but that only fits to the assumptions I've made here.
But that leaves 'running man' as you say seen coming out of the park shortly after the screams - in my scenario he would be seen leaving not chasing (good spot thanks!) Just trying to theorise why the police seem keen on the playing fields. Suppose could it just be someone out for a midnight run and they're just really scared of foxes!?

 

[Happybunny86]

I keep wondering about my theory of her falling into water. It was -5 that night. How cold was it?

 

[PaddyOreally?]

I keep wondering about my theory of her falling into water. It was -5 that night. How cold was it?

Would the pond not have been frozen?

 

[scootermuppet]

It's well documented how narcissists, predators, abusers are charming. They need to be to achieve their goal

Yes true, I agree.

 

[KING Charles]

Don’t know if it as already been mentioned (for the timeline) but from where LS was sitting on the bench it takes approx 4 mins by car to the Oak Park and 8 mins walking.

 

[scootermuppet]

He’s also been known as a lovely faithful kind family man. He’s manipulating, he’ll open a door if it means he’ll get what he wants...

Very true. Good point.

 

[Stumpyaura]

People always say that but they always seem like creepy weirdos to me.

They pick their victims and if you're not one, chances are you won't see that side of them. My friend was married to one. A lot of is couldn't see the attraction but he managed to lead a double life, make another woman fall in love with him, fool all his friends etc. He did extremely well in work and was highly regarded. He'd never turned his charm on me or others so he seemed an idiot (and our instincts were right as it turned out) They go out of their way to mirror people that they are manipulating pretending to like things that they do, shower them with love/praise/affection before the inevitable take-down begins

 

[Zazie]

Would the pond not have been frozen?

I don't know about that very night but, "During the first few days of the search, divers were seen breaking ice on top of the pond before wading through it."
Divers search Oak Road pond as Libby investigation resumes

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I think this is a question @hitthenick or @TTWO can clarify. I believe it has been stated here that the cars are the same.

Very possible/likely it is a 2005/6 Astra SXI and PR but with the CCTV being so unclear I'm holding back from stating it definitively.

 

[PaddyOreally?]

Yep, I'd say if was having a vivid dream like that I'd be flying off that sofa awake!! You make a fair point re the 'Heathcote screams' initially I thought they could be more accurate as like you say she was awake reading. I'd considered, as suggested on an earlier thread here that the 'park screams' could be foxes and they were later but that only fits to the assumptions I've made here.
But that leaves 'running man' as you say seen coming out of the park shortly after the screams - in my scenario he would be seen leaving not chasing (good spot thanks!) Just trying to theorise why the police seem keen on the playing fields. Suppose could it just be someone out for a midnight run and they're just really scared of foxes!?

I've been thinking about the park screams and that it made sense that she could have been running away screaming.

But if I was being chased through the park by a nutter id be screaming "help someone's trying to kill me!" At the top of my lungs!

 

[aworldofmadness]

Actually I think the wind was 11mph blowing slightly south west.

So the sound might have been able to travel further than where it was actually seemed to be coming from?

I'm not an expert on wind but I'm sure sound travels further on the wind.

Also the wind was blowing towards the witness house from the direction on the pond.

Yeah, sorry. I misinterpreted the website. It's blowing from the East.
I think it is easier to hear sound downwind.

 

[Officer Dibble]

From The Sun online:

His tearful mum Marzena, speaking from her home in Poland, told The Sun: “There is no way it could have been him.

“He bakes cakes, is a religious boy and is scared of blood and violence.

“I am 100% he will be released.”

Locals in Warszewice, northern Poland, where Pawel grew up before coming to the UK five years ago, said he did not have a criminal record in the country.

Friends said he last returned to Poland with his wife and two children around a year ago.

His snowy home village is around 200 miles north of Polish capital Warsaw.

Some 600 people live there and most work in a nearby sugar beet factory.

As well as the baking, he also likes something else ending in ING

 

[PaddyOreally?]

They pick their victims and if you're not one, chances are you won't see that side of them. My friend was married to one. A lot of is couldn't see the attraction but he managed to lead a double life, make another woman fall in love with him, fool all his friends etc. He did extremely well in work and was highly regarded. He'd never turned his charm on me or others so he seemed an idiot (and our instincts were right as it turned out) They go out of their way to mirror people that they are manipulating pretending to like things that they do, shower them with love/praise/affection before the inevitable take-down begins

That does make sense. I hope your friend was ok married to one.

Actually I'm quite sceptical when I meet knew people and have a tendency to think everyone's a creepy weirdo!

 

[Strontium69]

If she was taken by car then she really could be anywhere. However if they are pretty sure they know the car, and they also know the car was back home lets say 25-30 minutes later, then they may be putting 2 and 2 together to identify the park as a private spot for a crime to be committed that still fits that timeline.

So it's not a clue in the park that has them searching there. It's that they are sure she goes in, but unsure if/how she came out?

So if she was taken out of the park in car, they are currently looking in the park for some clue towards that?

Does that mean that they are at this stage not sure what they are looking for in the park, only that they are looking for something/anything in connection with Libby, PR, AN Other, or anything linked to that night?

Put it another way with a different example: The Police have Suspect A, and they believe what they need to nail Suspect A is on a SIM CARD in his possession. IF they are certain that sim card is in his house they will keep going until they find it. They will empty the entire contents of the house into a secure warehouse and finger tip search every item. The will take the carpets out, they will take back wall paper, remove fixtures/fittings. Time and manpower is not an issue IF THEY BELIEVE that Sim card is in that house they KNOW they will find it.

Did you notice that when they were searching PR's house, they were looking at the loft FROM THE OUTSIDE with an infrared camera. They absolutely would have been all over the inside of that loft, probably also with infrared.

So for instance, even a park as big as Oak Road Playing Fields/Beresford Park IF the Police WERE CERTAIN that a weapon had been discarded in the park, they would be certain they would be able to find it. They would finger tip search, time and manpower no issue, until they found it.

I also believe they would be briefing the media "We are lookign for X in this park, we are sure it is there and we WILL find it".

They've never made any such statement in this case. If they were looking for an implement, or traces of a car in a case they normally would say. Again, even if they didn't state they were looking for a body, I have not seen any evidence of dogs in the park. I've seen endless photos of marine units, people clearing undergroath and looking through bins, but ne'er a sign of a dog.

Which leads me to believe that they don't know what they are looking for. Which makes it an open ended search, there literally could be NOTHING in that Park of any relation to this.