Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #8 *ARREST*

[CoverMeCagney]

Interesting, I just stumbled on this which I'd never seen before, sorry of the rest of you have. It's from PR's neighbour about when police came to arrest him:

John [ ], a neighbour, said he received a knock on the door by police officers who were "seeking access to the back of the garden" of the house where the man was arrested. "They wanted to block off any escape route," he said.

 

[Sairzz]

I've been here since the start of this, a part of me thinks they have the right man and just need that concrete evidence to send him down, then there's the part of me that worries that they have the wrong man, or even they have the right man but don't have anything to really pin him down with and within a matter of months this guy is going to be roaming the streets again
I don't normally take cases to heart, but this one has me, my son is at Hull university, I feel the need to message him and make sure he is always with a friend when he goes out, I have the worry that my daughter will also move there this year.
I feel like Im constantly checking for updates.
Libbys mum must be in utter hell right now and I really do feel for her, part of me wants to scour the area and bring some sort of justice, however we need to trust what the police are doing and hope that this behind the scene work is something worthwhile.

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

She was spotted on the bench at approximately 11:45pm. Nearby, Haworth pub and the Sainsbury's Local would have still been open. Plus, there are loads of takeaways around there. I also recall seeing on a Hull Daily Mail Facebook comment that a lady was picking up her boyfriend who worked in one of the shops at the same time...she said the place was buzzing with people leaving the pubs/takeaways. If LS needed help, there would have been public places to go just metres away.[/QUOTE

 

[JustTryingToHelp]

I live in this area (less than a 10 minute walk from the bench) and it is a worry that there may be a dangerous person on the loose. I understand the police need to withhold information to carry out their investigation, I get that, but how serious is their evidence of potential 'harm'? What exactly makes them concentrate on searching the park and not other areas? What makes them so sure that LS, or the evidence they're painstakingly looking for, didn't leave the park in a car? So many questions...

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

I have no idea what I did there but I meant to say I wonder where she was parked, the spider web cctv could be her picking him up and swapping round the driving.

 

[Deleted member 238128]

He wasnt the original taxi driver the police said was very helpful. The police explicit said the man they were holding wasn't him

Oh, I completely missed that. Do you have a link to that statement from LE?

 

[JustTryingToHelp]

I have no idea what I did there but I meant to say I wonder where she was parked, the spider web cctv could be her picking him up and swapping round the driving.

I recall she was saying how she wished she had parked down Beresford (as she intended) because she would have had a view of the bench. Instead, she parked outside the shops (where Sainsbury's is) which is opposite the bench and further up the road - this was a Facebook comment from a few days after LS went missing. The spiderweb CCTV is from the street behind the bench (Haworth), accessed from Cottingham Road, so unlikely to be the same person.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I live in this area (less than a 10 minute walk from the bench) and it is a worry that there may be a dangerous person on the loose. I understand the police need to withhold information to carry out their investigation, I get that, but how serious is their evidence of potential 'harm'? What exactly makes them concentrate on searching the park and not other areas? What makes them so sure that LS, or the evidence they're painstakingly looking for, didn't leave the park in a car? So many questions...

That's an interesting point, actually. At no point have I considered there could still be a dangerous person on the loose.

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

Thanks! I live in the neighbourhood where LS went missing, so I can help with local info.

Do you know that alley that backs onto the Wellesley Avenue and Heathcote houses? How accessible is it and do they all have back garden gates?

 

[Deleted member 238128]

Also, the police have said the taxi driver is NOT a suspect. Neither is the grey haired motorist.

I think what a previous poster mentioned and what I am questioning is - yes, they definitely said at the start that the taxi driver was not believed to be a part of the investigation but would police either a) lie about that (to make him feel safe while under observation?) or b) not update that post-arrest ie. not say publicly that the man under arrest is actually also the taxi driver who was helping us with our enquiries?

Edit: I am talking about taxi driver turning out to be P. in both these scenarios

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Do you know that alley that backs onto the Wellesley Avenue and Heathcote houses? How accessible is it and do they all have back garden gates?

You can drive down it (though it's a dead end) and as far as I can see all the houses, both sides, have back garden gates.

 

[JustTryingToHelp]

I think what a previous poster mentioned and what I am questioning is - yes, they definitely said at the start that the taxi driver was not believed to be a part of the investigation but would police either a) lie about that (to make him feel safe while under observation?) or b) not update that post-arrest ie. not say publicly that the man under arrest is actually also the taxi driver who was helping us with our enquiries?

The taxi driver was pretty much in the clear from Day One. The police have never actively/publically searched for a taxi driver, which means it was probably an actual taxi driver. If LS had used an illegal taxi it would have probably have taken a while for them to find the driver.

 

[Deleted member 238128]

I recall she was saying how she wished she had parked down Beresford (as she intended) because she would have had a view of the bench. Instead, she parked outside the shops (where Sainsbury's is) which is opposite the bench and further up the road - this was a Facebook comment from a few days after LS went missing. The spiderweb CCTV is from the street behind the bench (Haworth), accessed from Cottingham Road, so unlikely to be the same person.

I can’t see what this comment is in relation too...who are you talking about here?

 

[JustTryingToHelp]

You can drive down it (though it's a dead end) and as far as I can see all the houses, both sides, have back garden gates.

The alley at the top of Wellesley near to Beverley Road leads to Barmston Drain and rear access (gates) of the houses

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I think what a previous poster mentioned and what I am questioning is - yes, they definitely said at the start that the taxi driver was not believed to be a part of the investigation but would police either a) lie about that (to make him feel safe while under observation?) or b) not update that post-arrest ie. not say publicly that the man under arrest is actually also the taxi driver who was helping us with our enquiries?

Well, in theory the police can say whatever they want or not. Unfortunately, because their statement said that he isn't a suspect, we are not allowed to speculate that he could be.

FWIW I think you're all barking up the wrong tree with this. Can anyone find the direct quote from the family member which has stirred all this up??

 

[JustTryingToHelp]

I can’t see what this comment is in relation too...who are you talking about here?

Earlier I wrote about a comment I saw on the Hull Daily Mail Facebook page where a lady had said she was parked outside the shops at approx 11:45pm and the place was buzzing. She said she did not see Libby as was not facing toward the bench.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

The alley at the top of Wellesley near to Beverley Road leads to Barmston Drain and rear access (gates) of the houses

She means the alley behind Libby's house, no 32. It also backs onto Heathcote from where one witness heard a scream and a bang that sounded like a wooden gate.

 

[Hatfield]

.....snipped by me to focus on below part......

** the police searched and failed to find this man's body and it was found in a river 7 MONTHS later**

Police confirm body found in river is millionaire farmer who vanished seven months ago | Daily Mail Online

This is my fear in this case that she did go in either the River Hull or even that smaller creek which I have not outruled yet or even the pond.

I have followed quite a few cases where bodies end up in water and sometimes they do immediately sink. In the wintertime, icy cold water prevents normal decomposition and a body may not float up as quick as it would if it were warm water. And of course if a body went in the moving River Hull then it could get snagged on bottom and stay down there.

If she ended up in any water then I am afraid it may be awhile before she surfaces or someone spots her tangled in debri near the bank.

Here are some interesting tidbits about bodies in water. If anyone has any doubt that a body could immediately sink then just try to remember as a child playing in a pool and what you would do when you wanted to sink to the bottom. All you had to do was let the air out of your lungs and down you go.

Its only until decomposition and gasses start to really increase in a dead body will it begin to float up unless the person managed to keep a lot of air in their lungs as they died. With icy cold water it can really slow down decomposition a lot. Almost to a standstill if the water is icy cold enough.

I share before of a case in Canada (sorry no link) where an ice fisherman fell through the ice on his snowmobile and he went down to the bottom and stayed down there. Rescuers knew where he went down from the hole in the ice and it took weeks before they got some special equipment to basically hook him with a line and pull his body back up to the surface. There is no telling how long his body would have stayed down there.

There was another case I remember as well where a body did go in the river and it was eventually found months later and was hung up on bottom by debri it got snagged on. Someone spotted the body down in the water because it was not too deep and they could see their body below the water.

I hope LS is not in any water but the longer this goes on without finding her then that seems like a real possibility.

 

[JustTryingToHelp]

Well, in theory the police can say whatever they want or not. Unfortunately, because their statement said that he isn't a suspect, we are not allowed to speculate that he could be.

FWIW I think you're all barking up the wrong tree with this. Can anyone find the direct quote from the family member which has stirred all this up??

Just about every taxi I have got in recently has had CCTV. The taxi having CCTV and/or a dashcam is the most plausible explanation to explain why the driver is not a suspect. A lot of taxis also have trackers too.

 

[Ryuk]

FTR the police will have a record of every single licenced taxis whereabouts at any specific time on any given evening if they were working. The pda is in constant contact with the despatching office and/or gps.