Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #8 *ARREST*

[JustTryingToHelp]

She means the alley behind Libby's house, no 32. It also backs onto Heathcote from where one witness heard a scream and a bang that sounded like a wooden gate.

From the CSI photos it looks like Libby's house is OPPOSITE Heathcoate Street with the drain running behind it. Am I right?

 

[JustTryingToHelp]

From the CSI photos it looks like Libby's house is OPPOSITE Heathcoate Street with the drain running behind it. Am I right?

I've double-checked the CSI photos. LS's house is OPPOSITE the north entrance to Heathcoate Street. The drain runs behind LS's house (between Wellesley and Desmond Avenue). The house does not share an alley with houses from Heathcoate.

 

[Deleted member 238128]

Well, in theory the police can say whatever they want or not. Unfortunately, because their statement said that he isn't a suspect, we are not allowed to speculate that he could be.

FWIW I think you're all barking up the wrong tree with this. Can anyone find the direct quote from the family member which has stirred all this up??

I do think that this is the very least possible scenario in terms of P’s involement. I think it’s just the previous posters illegal taxi story from earlier mixed with years of seeing taxi drivers sit “out” of their car in baltic weather for a quick cig between fares, not wanting to smoke out their car making my mind question. I think that the original taxi driver is totally innocent (unless he WAS P!) but do keep revisiting idea that P. was an arranged meet up and if so, why. Would be good to see police comments on taxi driver.

 

[sundaaaay]

Do you know that alley that backs onto the Wellesley Avenue and Heathcote houses? How accessible is it and do they all have back garden gates?

They do have accessible back lanes, their back gardens are accessible through a garden gate / through a shed. I think a poster on a previous thread mentioned that PR may have helped LS gain entry to her house, as he must be good at getting into local property (when stealing things). And this also ties in with the witness who heard a wooden door slam and male & female voices - He may have had to communicate over the wall if he was in the back garden and she stayed in the lane.

 

[Ched]

From the CSI photos it looks like Libby's house is OPPOSITE Heathcoate Street with the drain running behind it. Am I right?

I don’t think you are , she doesn’t have the drain behind her , I need someone to confirm this as that’s how I remember it , Libby is the big hedge house

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I've double-checked the CSI photos. LS's house is OPPOSITE the north entrance to Heathcoate Street. The drain runs behind LS's house (between Wellesley and Desmond Avenue). The house does not share an alley with houses from Heathcoate.

That's what we all thought at first - is the house you're looking at the one with nice black doors getting luminol'd by CSI? No15? Because we went with that for a thread or two (and looked at the drain and access at the back) but then this photo below appeared with the caption "The couple [Libby's parents] visited her home on Wellesley Avenue in the city - close to the University - and walked around the area where she was last seen"



This is no32 across the road and round the corner a bit. And backs onto the back alley of Heathcote.

We do not know why no15 was getting CSI'd. Nor any other houses on the street.

I should add that we have never had definitive proof that 32 is Libby's house. I would love to know for certain, but at the moment the working theory is that 32 is the one.

 

[Hatfield]

I do think that this is the very least possible scenario in terms of P’s involement. I think it’s just the previous posters illegal taxi story from earlier mixed with years of seeing taxi drivers sit “out” of their car in baltic weather for a quick cig between fares, not wanting to smoke out their car making my mind question. I think that the original taxi driver is totally innocent (unless he WAS P!) but do keep revisiting idea that P. was an arranged meet up and if so, why. Would be good to see police comments on taxi driver.

I think this is the confirmation you are looking for. I dont think it can be the same person as P because LE would have told us that by now I would think.

"Have police spoken to the taxi driver who dropped her off?


Yes. A spokesman has confirmed the taxi driver who dropped Libby off at her home address on Thursday, January 31 has been spoken to.


The taxi driver, like the driver who stopped to help her, is not a suspect."

Libby Squire missing: The questions surrounding her disappearance

 

[JustTryingToHelp]

Some speculation from me here on what scenarios I think could have happened, based on available info:

1. LS arrived home in legitimate taxi as stated 2. LS had reason for not entering house (e.g. no key, felt ill, did not want to be in house alone, disagreement with friends/housemates, or something else benign and not directly related to disappearance) 3. LS went to bench because it was in a public area or en-route to where she wanted to be (either to flag down taxi to return to Welly, look out for friends passing, or sober up and/or try to go somewhere else e.g. another bar or friend's house) 4. Beardy man stopped because she was clearly in distress (e.g. drunk, upset, sick, or flagging down cars). 5. Then what ???

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Some speculation from me here on what scenarios I think could have happened, based on available info:

1. LS arrived home in legitimate taxi as stated 2. LS had reason for not entering house (e.g. no key, felt ill, did not want to be in house alone, disagreement with friends/housemates, or something else benign and not directly related to disappearance) 3. LS went to bench because it was in a public area or en-route to where she wanted to be (either to flag down taxi to return to Welly, look out for friends passing, or sober up and/or try to go somewhere else e.g. another bar or friend's house) 4. Beardy man stopped because she was clearly in distress (e.g. drunk, upset, sick, or flagging down cars). 5. Then what ???

5. A nice young Polish fella started chatting to her, she explained she was locked out and he offered to help her get in to her house (pretty sure he didn't mention he was a burglar or a pervert at this point)
6. He kept driving instead of turning onto her street and they ended up at the park
7. What next....?

 

[Deleted member 238128]

I think this is the confirmation you are looking for. I dont think it can be the same person as P because LE would have told us that by now I would think.

"Have police spoken to the taxi driver who dropped her off?


Yes. A spokesman has confirmed the taxi driver who dropped Libby off at her home address on Thursday, January 31 has been spoken to.


The taxi driver, like the driver who stopped to help her, is not a suspect."

Libby Squire missing: The questions surrounding her disappearance

Thank you. At this point P had already been arrested so I can definitely rule out the notion that he was Libby’s driver

 

[Ched]

Some speculation from me here on what scenarios I think could have happened, based on available info:

1. LS arrived home in legitimate taxi as stated 2. LS had reason for not entering house (e.g. no key, felt ill, did not want to be in house alone, disagreement with friends/housemates, or something else benign and not directly related to disappearance) 3. LS went to bench because it was in a public area or en-route to where she wanted to be (either to flag down taxi to return to Welly, look out for friends passing, or sober up and/or try to go somewhere else e.g. another bar or friend's house) 4. Beardy man stopped because she was clearly in distress (e.g. drunk, upset, sick, or flagging down cars). 5. Then what ???

I think that’s where 99% of us are on here .... and then we all split up at point 5

 

[JustTryingToHelp]

Doubt it's 32 if it has a For Sale sign up (is that a current photo?)....I'll check Rightmove and see if it's a student house and tenanted. I think I previously checked 15 and it was student. I would expect Libby's house to be the one with CSI...let me do some research on this.

 

[cluciano63]

Thank you. At this point P had already been arrested so I can definitely rule out the notion that he was Libby’s driver

And it should be dropped unless LE comes back and says otherwise imo.

 

[Ched]

Doubt it's 32 if it has a For Sale sign up (is that a current photo?)....I'll check Rightmove and see if it's a student house and tenanted. I think I previously checked 15 and it was student. I would expect Libby's house to be the one with CSI...let me do some research on this.

4 bed end terrace house for sale in Wellesley Avenue, Kingston Upon Hull HU6 - Zoopla number 32 including picture of back gate garden area

 

[JustTryingToHelp]

Regarding LS's house being number 15 or number 32. This appeared in the Hull Daily Mail on 3rd Feb with a photo of the CSI outside number 15. Strong hint it may be LS's house:

"A woman in her 80s who lived next door to a house in Wellesley Avenue being examined by forensics says students live at the property.

She said: “I have heard about the missing student. It’s just dreadful and I hope she is found soon. I know people live next door and they are young but I don’t know who they are."

 

[Ched]

Regarding LS's house being number 15 or number 32. This appeared in the Hull Daily Mail on 3rd Feb with a photo of the CSI outside number 15. Strong hint it may be LS's house:

"A woman in her 80s who lived next door to a house in Wellesley Avenue being examined by forensics says students live at the property.

She said: “I have heard about the missing student. It’s just dreadful and I hope she is found soon. I know people live next door and they are young but I don’t know who they are."

can you find the other link to Libby’s parents visiting her house please?

 

[HongKongPhooey]

This is my fear in this case that she did go in either the River Hull or even that smaller creek which I have not outruled yet or even the pond.

I have followed quite a few cases where bodies end up in water and sometimes they do immediately sink. In the wintertime, icy cold water prevents normal decomposition and a body may not float up as quick as it would if it were warm water. And of course if a body went in the moving River Hull then it could get snagged on bottom and stay down there.

If she ended up in any water then I am afraid it may be awhile before she surfaces or someone spots her tangled in debri near the bank.

Here are some interesting tidbits about bodies in water. If anyone has any doubt that a body could immediately sink then just try to remember as a child playing in a pool and what you would do when you wanted to sink to the bottom. All you had to do was let the air out of your lungs and down you go.

Its only until decomposition and gasses start to really increase in a dead body will it begin to float up unless the person managed to keep a lot of air in their lungs as they died. With icy cold water it can really slow down decomposition a lot. Almost to a standstill if the water is icy cold enough.

I share before of a case in Canada (sorry no link) where an ice fisherman fell through the ice on his snowmobile and he went down to the bottom and stayed down there. Rescuers knew where he went down from the hole in the ice and it took weeks before they got some special equipment to basically hook him with a line and pull his body back up to the surface. There is no telling how long his body would have stayed down there.

There was another case I remember as well where a body did go in the river and it was eventually found months later and was hung up on bottom by debri it got snagged on. Someone spotted the body down in the water because it was not too deep and they could see their body below the water.

I hope LS is not in any water but the longer this goes on without finding her then that seems like a real possibility.

The story about the farmer in this link is quite local to me. Whats interesting about this case apart from the water connection, is that his ex wife was charged with his murder BEFORE his body was found.

 

[hitthenick]

It’s sad and worrying to see things slowing down ... I hope the police meant what they said in the last presser - that it’s lots of behind the scenes work for now. As oppose to it coming to a halt.

I do think P being up in court early March should ignite a media spark again if we’ve heard nothing before then.

I keep changing my mind on theories, but having been in LS situation as a student myself - in that I’ve been turned away from a club in the past for being drunk - I can well imagine her friend put her in that taxi advising the driver she needed to go home. Even giving him their address. I know some suggested LS wasn’t too drunk in the Welly CCTV vid, but in watching the cleaned up footage on the Daily Mail she was well and truly intoxicated.

So LS gets dropped off home and think ‘eh? What do I want to stop the party for?! It’s early.’ It’s very possible the thought crosses her mind as she’s heading for the front door and thinks ‘sod this’ ... turns around and heads back out. A friends house, food, another club, a bar ... just anywhere not to end the night early and alone. I was often very drunk but far from tired. The party had only just started and I would have gone out in search for a good night.

Regarding her running through the park, it was interesting to see a pic of the pond covered in ice and snow (thanks, I can’t recall who posted it). With a dusting of snow on the ground and the ice covered pond, it would be harder to differentiate between the two in the dark. That still doesn’t explain the lack of a body though as they seem to have thoroughly searched the pond.

I’ve been on WS in the past when it’s come up in google searches but this is the first thread/s I’ve followed closely and posted on. So much amazing knowledge from so many people including locals prepared to take share insights (almost getting run over in the process!) and @hitthenick with outstanding car knowledge. I’m genuinely blown away at such in depth insights. I do hope the police have equally qualified professionals comparing cctv footage, otherwise Nick, they need your services!

I also read the entire thread of susan in Scotland - thank you to whoever shared the link here. What an incredible online community.

Wonderful post Audio, thanks for the mention too. I have emailed the investigation team with my contact details and vehicle experience this afternoon to offer my service if they need, to be able to identify any vehicle enquiries they may have on any vehicles of interest. I was PM'd yesterday by someone asking some pertinent questions which weren't expected. Not sure if I can assist but I am available if required for the team although I am 2 hours away.

 

[Scorpiette]

Yes, I agree. I don’t think Libby would have called an illegal taxi, I’m thinking more that during taxi journey number 1, something happened, which led to an arrangement to be at that bench for a pick up or it was the same driver, or the taxi that was picking her neighbours up returning to her. Not sure if I’m making sense. Been a long week Too many cars and benches involved. It bothers me.

Just a thought: LS can't find her key, taxi driver 1 sees her falling over after he''s dropped her off...he helps her get up. She tells him she's lost her key and needs to go back and find where she dropped it. Cabbie says.. OK. ..you go look..but it's cold.. I'll meet you in 10 minutes by the bench up the road and take you back to The Welly?

 

[JustTryingToHelp]

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Just a thought: LS can't find her key, taxi driver 1 sees her falling over after he''s dropped her off...he helps her get up. She tells him she's lost her key and needs to go back and find where she dropped it. Cabbie says.. OK. ..you go look..but it's cold.. I'll meet you in 10 minutes by the bench up the road and take you back to The Welly?

Why would she go to the bench to look for her key? The taxi took her from Welly straight to her front door.