Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #9 *ARREST*

[BrianJohnson]

He is skilled at breaking into houses, if he is skilled at breaking into houses he could equally be skilled at breaking into a car, not smashing the car window but picking the lock and ‘hot wiring?’the car so he could ‘borrow’ a car that was parked on the street for a couple of hours in the early morning of friday or Saturday to dispose of a body, return the car and the owner would be none the wiser

 

[Joolz1975]

Anyone remember The Valentines Day murder in Hull? Think 2005, he was called Dyson, murdered his girlfriend, took five weeks to find her body. Found in a wood near Malton. Admittedly likely to be more cctv available now to capture someone leaving the city, but, possible perhaps.

Yeh..amazing how they found her body really.

I believe the SIO was on the way to a press conference when they passed a gate that looked similar to what Dyson had described to them so they pulled up and found her not far from the gate.

 

[Joolz1975]

He is skilled at breaking into houses, if he is skilled at breaking into houses he could equally be skilled at breaking into a car, not smashing the car window but picking the lock and ‘hot wiring?’the car so he could ‘borrow’ a car that was parked on the street for a couple of hours in the early morning of friday or Saturday to dispose of a body, return the car and the owner would be none the wiser

I wanted to say this but decided I'd sound paranoid .

So I'm glad you have said it instead.

 

[BrianJohnson]

Not disagreeing with your thinking BrianJ, just that I think the search Hull to Malton is impossible. There are so many routes possible, very rural. Its futile to even search along one route I would say unless they have some info...

I think somewhere between Hull and Malton is where she is buried, I don’t believe she is buried in the park or is in the river or anything, I believe she was dumped in countrified area en route to his workplace, an area he would know well

 

[yoyo1]

He is skilled at breaking into houses, if he is skilled at breaking into houses he could equally be skilled at breaking into a car, not smashing the car window but picking the lock and ‘hot wiring?’the car so he could ‘borrow’ a car that was parked on the street for a couple of hours in the early morning of friday or Saturday to dispose of a body, return the car and the owner would be none the wiser

These days cars are ridiculously difficult to steal , transponder keys and all that stuff.

 

[Strontium69]

I agree with a lot of your thoughts. I don’t feel they got out of the car either!

But how has he done this in the car? That would be very difficult in the cramped space of the front seats, unless he moved to the back seat behind her...

What about the screams and the running man in the park?

I still think they got out of the car...

 

[Quintet]

Yeh..amazing how they found her body really.

I believe the SIO was on the way to a press conference when they passed a gate that looked similar to what Dyson had described to them so they pulled up and found her not far from the gate.

That’s right. They charged him with murder quickly and he seemed to crumble.

 

[BrianJohnson]

These days cars are ridiculously difficult to steal , transponder keys and all that stuff.

Doesn’t have to be a new car could be an old one 15-20 years old or anything

I don’t believe he used his own car to transport Libby’s body, if her body had been in his boot then even after cleaning cadaver dogs would have picked up she had been in his boot

So ‘borrowing’ a car that is not his own to transport and dump Libby would add up

 

[Tallburt]

Doesn’t have to be a new car could be an old one 15-20 years old or anything

I don’t believe he used his own car to transport Libby’s body, if her body had been in his boot then even after cleaning cadaver dogs would have picked up she had been in his boot

So ‘borrowing’ a car that is not his own to transport and dump Libby would add up

A trailer?

 

[DanCJ]

From what I had noticed the outskirts of Hull had a heavy camera presence on the roads. If they know somehow he didn't venture out of Hull, fair enough. But if theres even a slight possibility he could of slipped out of the city, the rural areas MUST be checked particularly his route to Malton. They should allow public volunteers to accompany officers to help cover vast areas quicker.

If we try to put ourselves in the suspect's mindset from the 'park incident point' and he had to keep her hidden what would be his options?

• The park - A strong possibility, no travelling necessary at all. Secluded and dark after hours. Minimal risk of witness' passing through. No CCTV coverage directly inside the park. But why haven't the police found anything yet?
• The river - I think not, its far too much of a risk for him. The suspect couldn't take that chance. There's a chance a body could awash up at any point or become stuck in roots/foliage in plain sight
• The drains - More potential to remain out of sight than the river, but from what I've heard read there is too high of a chance of growth and roots to hold a body stuck.
• At home - No chance, probably the most risky of all options. Into the heart of CCTV and most likely for witnesses
• Work route/Outer Hull - If you thought you had time, this to me would be the suspects safest best of a body never being found. Providing he could get out of Hull undetected. He would have vast dark empty fields and off roads at his disposal. At which point it becomes a needle in a haystack. That's what frightens me most. I hope they are certain he never left the city.

 

[yoyo1]

Doesn’t have to be a new car could be an old one 15-20 years old or anything

I don’t believe he used his own car to transport Libby’s body, if her body had been in his boot then even after cleaning cadaver dogs would have picked up she had been in his boot

So ‘borrowing’ a car that is not his own to transport and dump Libby would add up

Well if he was a total pro then yes he would had taken the precaution of stealing/borrowing another vehicle , but personally i see this as being just too much trouble , it would be easier to leave her at the park , drive home and get a load of bin bags or old carpet to keep the car clean in the disposal process. stealing a car is a great idea in theory but in reality its a hell of a lot of trouble to go to that i cant see him going to.
We dont know , his car might have given up some positive forensics, we dont know do we.

 

[lo so]

I don't think a second car would be a problem for him as there's several ways he could get one on his own as mentioned. Could be anything from an old car that's easy to get into to something like he had previously found a lost key in the street, identified what car it was for and held onto it for future use. I don't think he would have just phoned someone and asked to borrow their car though.

I still think it's possible someone else could be involved - he only needs one friend with similar interests who's enjoyed bein part of it, especially if confident they won't be caught.

I don't think there would be any issues with a language barrier as I'd imagine there would be Polish people in LE.

 

[BrianJohnson]

Well if he was a total pro then yes he would had taken the precaution of stealing/borrowing another vehicle , but personally i see this as being just too much trouble , it would be easier to leave her at the park , drive home and get a load of bin bags or old carpet to keep the car clean in the disposal process. stealing a car is a great idea in theory but in reality its a hell of a lot of trouble to go to that i cant see him going to.
We dont know , his car might have given up some positive forensics, we dont know do we.

Even if he wrapped her body in carpet/bin bags and put her wrapped up in that way the scent of a decomposing body would still be picked up by the cadaver dogs when his car was checked out, there is no way her dead body was ever in any part of his car. If it had been then he would be nailed on to be charged with murder by now

The only possibilities are that he dumped her in the area he killed her and by good fortune for him she hasn’t been found or that a different vehicle to his was used to transport her body out of the city or wherever

 

[Zazie]

He is skilled at breaking into houses, if he is skilled at breaking into houses he could equally be skilled at breaking into a car, not smashing the car window but picking the lock and ‘hot wiring?’

The three charges involving stealing used the phrase "you entered as a trespasser". I don't think we have evidence that he's a skilled house-breaker.

I think somewhere between Hull and Malton is where she is buried, I don’t believe she is buried in the park or is in the river or anything, I believe she was dumped in countrified area en route to his workplace, an area he would know well

That would seem to make sense except the police don't appear to have widened the search area or asked for witnesses outside that very narrow area - that's the curious thing.

 

[Quintet]

But how has he done this in the car? That would be very difficult in the cramped space of the front seats, unless he moved to the back seat behind her...

What about the screams and the running man in the park?

I still think they got out of the car...

I guess we don’t know what he actually did or tried to do? It depends whether his intention from the start was rape/murder. If it was to chance his arm in the aim of consenting sexual activities, then I would expect the latter to have began within the vehicle. Had LS then declined his advances, threaten to report him, then he may have felt he couldn’t risk that, knowing what else he had been doing previously, burglary, flashing etc etc. I think a man that body builds would have enough strength to strangle a young lady in a car if necessary.

Did sound witnesses get a bit carried along perhaps? Wasn’t it that it was normal to hear loud noises from the park, youngsters etc. The police went knocking on the door and asked if heard anything, didn’t mention they had, but had a chat later then rang 101 to report? I’m not sure.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Not much, but we've started to refer to someone being 'running man' now and it's all reminding me of the Corrie Mckeague case. I fear we'll be chasing our own tales, arguing and getting paranoid soon unless there are any further developments.

Soon?! I think that's already started!

 

[Strontium69]

I think somewhere between Hull and Malton is where she is buried, I don’t believe she is buried in the park or is in the river or anything, I believe she was dumped in countrified area en route to his workplace, an area he would know well

Someone mentioned this before, and that if he was familiar with dogging sites to/from his place of work?

pr3.png - the 2 routes Google maps gives from Hull to Melton, they both provide plenty of opportunity for wooded areas and quiet lanes.

However, the area I have circled in red is one of the two main dogging spots in the region that is always in the news (the other being to the East of the city)



It is potentially directly on his route to/from work and known to him, and provides a good 100+ metres of obscured layby.

 

[BrianJohnson]

I also don’t believe that he made any calls to a friend or called in a favour from gangsters, police will have checked his phone records and it would show he made a call in the timeframe between midnight and 3am, even if he deleted his call history they can find out what calls he made and to who

I believe he acted alone and no one else is involved

 

[yoyo1]

Even if he wrapped her body in carpet/bin bags and put her wrapped up in that way the scent of a decomposing body would still be picked up by the cadaver dogs when his car was checked out, there is no way her dead body was ever in any part of his car. If it had been then he would be nailed on to be charged with murder by now

The only possibilities are that he dumped her in the area he killed her and by good fortune for him she hasn’t been found or that a different vehicle to his was used to transport her body out of the city or wherever

Mmhh interesting. Well id rate the possibility of him stealing a car as minimal.
Borrowing a car slightly less unlikely but still v unlikely.
Getting help from a relative , possible if there was such a relative about.
Getting help from anyone else v unlikely.
Transporting her in his own car , in the circumstances quite possible , in which case she was either alive at the time or the police have a positive forensics on his car.
Or as you say he dumped her body local to the scene of the crime.

 

[Strontium69]

I guess we don’t know what he actually did or tried to do? It depends whether his intention from the start was rape/murder. If it was to chance his arm in the aim of consenting sexual activities, then I would expect the latter to have began within the vehicle. Had LS then declined his advances, threaten to report him, then he may have felt he couldn’t risk that, knowing what else he had been doing previously, burglary, flashing etc etc. I think a man that body builds would have enough strength to strangle a young lady in a car if necessary.

Did sound witnesses get a bit carried along perhaps? Wasn’t it that it was normal to hear loud noises from the park, youngsters etc. The police went knocking on the door and asked if heard anything, didn’t mention they had, but had a chat later then rang 101 to report? I’m not sure.

Even drunk, if it develops and escalates, to him forcing her and her fighting him off, then yes I would expect it to be a very difficult thing for him to 'kill' her like that while next to her in the front seat. If she was already in the process of fighting him off and he escalated that physical aggression, I would also expect her to have marked him in some way - I can't envision how anyone can just reach over, strength or not, and strangle someone while next to them.

I think it would be much more likely for him to have killed her without being marked himself while out in the open, particularly if she has ran and stumbled, or he has pushed her over, then he can use his overwhelming strength - but I just don't see that happening in the car without her at least scratching him.

* Incidentally - On the screaming noises, I am going through some of the video to see if it was picked up, but I was in the area of the park/pond at midnight the other night and there was a screaming like someone being murdered coming from the direction of the turbine! The closest I'd match that noise to would be a rabbit being torn apart.

But if that's a known noise from round there, wouldn't people in earshot hear the difference? One of the sound witnesses said it sounded like a human in distress - reading between the lines it sounded like that witness was ruling out foxes mating/tearing apart rabbits.