GUILTY UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, found deceased, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #25

[Lyall0814]

To get out of car ..somehow get a woman far enough into the park whilst likely struggling, rape and walk back has to though ..imo even that is tight.

The second visit is also tight ...just over 4 min ..the running time is 2 min each way at best ..without having to pick up a body and get them in the river
Both visits are so tight they are questionable

Those are the occasions he was detected going into the park. There may have been other times that weren't detected.

 

[Cherwell]

To be honest...who wouldn't walk quickly through a park at night when freezing cold ..

But I think a lot of people would run, that was my point.
If there were screams and someone came to investigate, a running man would come under suspicion.
I think he ran when he returned for the final visit, as he was more confident that no alarm had been raised.

 

[JosieJo]

Those are the occasions he was detected going into the park. There may have been other times that weren't detected.

But there wasn't according to the prosecution?

 

[tedtink]

Those are the occasions he was detected going into the park. There may have been other times that weren't detected.

There's no evidence to say that he did though.

 

[Steve2021]

So following on from my last post if you conclude the screams are Libby and that SA hasn't made a total balls up of the timings we now have definitive proof the rape was all over in seconds. Why? Because Libby was up at the far end of the park in time to scream at 12.15. If she'd already been raped then you've only got 12.11/12.12 to 12.15 to travel that distance from the car plus be raped. And if she wasn't raped before 12.15 you've only got 12.15 to 12.19 for the rape and PR to travel back from there to the car.

 

[JosieJo]

But I think a lot of people would run, that was my point. If there were screams and someone came to investigate, a running man would come under suspicion.
I think he ran when he returned for the final visit, as he was more confident that no alarm had been raised.

Yes true

 

[bos]

The footage of PR at Tesco petrol station on the night of the offence shows a khaki hood. Not clear if part of the jacket or a hoodie worn underneath as it appears plain rather than camo patterned but there is a hood.

 

[Tortoise]

To get out of car ..somehow get a woman far enough into the park whilst likely struggling, rape and walk back has to though ..imo even that is tight.

The second visit is also tight ...just over 4 min ..the running time is 2 min each way at best ..without having to pick up a body and get them in the river
Both visits are so tight they are questionable

And I believe the leaving time of his final visit was his car turning into the main road, so cuts it even finer.

 

[Pinkizzy]

Pawel may have raped Libby in his car and then killed her by the shed in the park

 

[JosieJo]

And I believe the leaving time of his final visit was his car turning into the main road, so cuts it even finer.

I just can't get my head around it to be honest ..12.11hrs his car lights are seen arriving ..by 12.22hrs he is back home to run his bath

 

[PitchforkRed]

I suppose if he was so aware of where the cameras were, he could have easily run through the park itself, and slowed to a fast walk as he approached the exit and cameras.

 

[Steve2021]

If you accept any of SAs timings it can't be murder unless you also accept at least some of Libby's screams were from when she was already in the river. Last scream 12.18 something, PR leaving in car 12.19 something.

Many of you have if I recall right stated she wouldn't be able to scream if in the river.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

So following on from my last post if you conclude the screams are Libby and that SA hasn't made a total balls up of the timings we now have definitive proof the rape was all over in seconds. Why? Because Libby was up at the far end of the park in time to scream at 12.15. If she'd already been raped then you've only got 12.11/12.12 to 12.15 to travel that distance from the car plus be raped. And if she wasn't raped before 12.15 you've only got 12.15 to 12.19 for the rape and PR to travel back from there to the car.

I think this too. He knew he had to deny setting foot in the park so he said they had sex on Oak Road to distance himself from the river scenario. In reality, he could have had approx 3 minutes to get himself and Libby up to the pond before raping her and her screaming. That went on for a couple more minutes before he then legged it back to his car.

Now, did he kill her (and personally I think she was smothered during the attack, to silence her) and throw her in the river on visit 2, or did he leave her near the bank and jog up there to put her in on visit 3?

Either or, if you question the location near the green shed, an alternative location nearer the water a) makes the timescales more credible, and b) fits better with SA’s testimony.

 

[jamjim]

16:32
Jury sent home with no verdict reached
After four days and some 15 hours of deliberation, the jury has been sent home once more with no verdict reached.

The 12 members will return again tomorrow - weather permitting - to continue deliberations once more.

Libby Squire murder trial updates as jury out for fourth day

 

[jamjim]

Sophie Corcoran

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No verdicts reached today. Jury sent home- back again at 10.30am tomorrow.

 

[bos]

So following on from my last post if you conclude the screams are Libby and that SA hasn't made a total balls up of the timings we now have definitive proof the rape was all over in seconds. Why? Because Libby was up at the far end of the park in time to scream at 12.15. If she'd already been raped then you've only got 12.11/12.12 to 12.15 to travel that distance from the car plus be raped. And if she wasn't raped before 12.15 you've only got 12.15 to 12.19 for the rape and PR to travel back from there to the car.

I place little reliance on the stated duration of the screams being absolute;witness accounts are notoriously unreliable in this regard with studies even showing estimations of the same witness varying depending on whether they’re asked to judge total time of an event or estimate the duration of each individual component.

 

[Skigh]

16:32
Jury sent home with no verdict reached
After four days and some 15 hours of deliberation, the jury has been sent home once more with no verdict reached.

The 12 members will return again tomorrow - weather permitting - to continue deliberations once more.

Libby Squire murder trial updates as jury out for fourth day

Thanks for being around all day ready to report any updates.

 

[Officer Dibble]

I've never followed a case that has deliberated for this long ...I realise there is a lot of evidence but surely they must be going over the same points now. Im not saying its a bad thing , just surprised the judge didn't consider it today

I honestly thought it would take 2 weeks.

 

[Officer Dibble]

The footage of PR at Tesco petrol station on the night of the offence shows a khaki hood. Not clear if part of the jacket or a hoodie worn underneath as it appears plain rather than camo patterned but there is a hood.

Well spotted. You are linking this to the witness saying there was a hood I presume?

 

[Ruthbullock]

Those are the occasions he was detected going into the park. There may have been other times that weren't detected.

I would have thought any other visits would also have been caught on the residential camera and, if not that then the turning from the main road which caught him on both visits.