GUILTY UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, found deceased, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #26

[Tortoise]

The rape helped set the minimum 27 year sentence, if he hadn't raped her he would probably serve half the time in prison

This is true, especially if I'm understanding the sentencing remarks that they accept, presumably from the pathology, that he may have thrown her in the river alive.

eta I haven't read the full sentencing remarks just posted by Legally Bland, I'm going from what I've seen in the live reporting.

further eta to clarify now I've read the sentencing remarks - it isn't that the court accepts she may have been alive - he had assaulted Libby and she may have been dying when he put her in the river. It was the defence submission that it may have been putting her in the river that killed her.

 

[bos]

It all feels a bit anti-climatic after the tension of waiting for the verdict as the sentencing remarks were minimal.

I think the Judge has probably got it right in telling him what the law says & concentrating her time on praising the victim’s family & police. Any stinging attack would have minimal effect on him, not playing into his sense of entitlement & need for control by ending his visit to the outside world ASAP was what was needed MOO

 

[Kelly C]

Just my few pence worth here given I know how the justice system works. 27 years is a good sentence. I so appreciate that the rape term running concurrently angers people. I feel the same.

However, the UK justice system is one of the most lenient in the world. Look at custody settings, offenders are allowed to say “no comment” whereas in India for example, you’d be beaten until you start talking! In America they have the death penalty. I could go on.

I think the sentence is good and well considered given the perimeters of the UK law. He will have an exceedingly hard time in the category A prison. He knows minimal English and the people he is in with will not treat him kindly. He will literally have 27 years of hell awaiting him and rightly so. The 27 years for him will feel like 100. Each day will feel like a month for him.

I also think the jury deciding upon a guilty murder charge is amazing. I’m so pleased, yet surprised it wasn’t manslaughter given he definitely led Libby to her death. The intent to kill was unlikely given his sexually deviant behaviour. However, I have no doubt he is a murderer but opinions don’t always hold weight when we are deciding a charge which usually relies on hard and categorical evidence, which wasn’t strong enough given there was lack of DNA and the pathologist report could sadly not be definitive due to the length of time poor Libby was in the water.

I think it is the best possible outcome for the charges and the sentence. We should all hold this in mind. I hope he lives a life of absolute hell.

 

[Joolz1975]

Sentencing remarks.

Thanks LB reading that the sentence makes more sense (in that she explains the double counting) I think she gave him the highest sentence she possibly could while maybe limiting his chances of appealing against it.

 

[Newthoughts]

Am i the only one disappointed? He will be 53 when we can apply for parole... and he might just be a quiet prisoner.

No you're not the only one disappointed.

Libby was just 21. Right at the start of her life and looking like she was in a good place. She had at least 60 years ahead. She was reportedly clever, loved studying apparently, wanted to be a journalist had a partner she loved. She had a career ahead of her, first home, marriage children. She didn't even get to finish uni!

Nobody forced PR to do what he did. He's where he is by choice.

 

[Newthoughts]

It feels very unfair, like only one punishment for several crimes. JMO

It is only one punishment for several crimes.

 

[Alyce]

snipped from the Sentencing Remarks ( thanks Legally for posting them up so swiftly )


Whether you put her body in the river on that second occasion that you visited Oak Road, or later that night when you went back to clean up, I do not know.
Having looked at the photographs of the scene and considered the distances involved I have no doubt that there would have been sufficient time for you both to rape Liberty and place her body in the river during your second visit shortly after midnight.
You were a young and fit man who worked as a butcher. Covering the distances involved, whether dragging or carrying a body, would I find have presented you with no difficulty.

 

[Cherwell]

I don't know what people were expecting, to be disappointed. He's got a life term with a hefty minimum, and it is important to remember that it's a minimum.

 

[Cherwell]

snipped from the Sentencing Remarks ( thanks Legally for posting them up so swiftly )

Whether you put her body in the river on that second occasion that you visited Oak Road, or later that night when you went back to clean up, I do not know.
Having looked at the photographs of the scene and considered the distances involved I have no doubt that there would have been sufficient time for you both to rape Liberty and place her body in the river during your second visit shortly after middragging or carrying a body, would I find have presented you with no difficulty. night.
You were a young and fit man who worked as a butcher. Covering the distances involved, whether dragging or carrying a body, would I find have presented you with no difficulty.

Yes, I am pleased that after all the discussion on here it turns out that the Judge is completely satisfied with the time being sufficient.

 

[porkypies]

It feels very unfair, like only one punishment for several crimes. JMO

Yes, I agree, and didn't judge say earlier that his sentence starts today? which means he has served only a fraction of his sentence for his previous crimes.

 

[ChiCubs2016]

I like that the Judge said Libby did not stand a chance once PR got his sights on her. That is how most of us felt all along. MOO

 

[Newthoughts]

He will serve the minimum of 27 years depending on parole.

The rape and his other offences he has basically been given a free pass for (flippant way of describing it sorry).

If he satisfies his parole conditions he will be out in 27 years and not serve the extra for the other offences.

Flippant but brutally accurate.

 

[mrjitty]

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BREAKING: Relowicz has been given a life sentence for the rape and murder of Libby Squire. He must serve a minimum term of 27 years before being eligible to go before the parole board.

Wow

Big sentence. I expected more like 20 but I guess the aggravated context juiced it up

In reality this creep may never get out before he is an old man

 

[Joolz1975]

Wow

Big sentence. I expected more like 20 but I guess the aggravated context juiced it up

In reality this creep may never get out before he is an old man

Do you think he has a chance of appealing the sentence or do you think probably a fair amount of time and not a chance of reducing it?

 

[Kaykedi]

A lot of the traceability of who is in there was taken down a couple of years ago due to the introduction of GDPR etc

Best thing I can say is think of any high profile murderer, rapist or pedo and they are 90% of the time in Wakefield.

But the real monsters in there are the crimes we don’t often get full details for, Gangsters and Crime lords from various areas of the country. Many of them have as much influence in the jails as they did on the outside.... PR will be protected for the next few weeks while he is in the press, but once he’s in the main population, they’ll know who he is.

Wakefield

Maybe he'll go back to baking cakes instead in the prison kitchen?

I dread to think what he might put in them though!!

 

[Cherwell]

Wow
Big sentence. I expected more like 20 but I guess the aggravated context juiced it up
In reality this creep may never get out before he is an old man

Indeed, and the judge conceded that he didn't set out to murder someone that night. So all things considered it's a hefty sentence.

 

[porkypies]

Just like he stared in the eyes of his other victims.

Something makes me think we have not heard the last of him.

 

[porkypies]

He will be on licence conditions for the rest of his life. His ability to reoffend will be severely reduced as he will be heavily monitored.

But it only took him seven and a half minutes for his first rape and murder.

 

[Kaykedi]

A lot of the traceability of who is in there was taken down a couple of years ago due to the introduction of GDPR etc

Best thing I can say is think of any high profile murderer, rapist or pedo and they are 90% of the time in Wakefield.

But the real monsters in there are the crimes we don’t often get full details for, Gangsters and Crime lords from various areas of the country. Many of them have as much influence in the jails as they did on the outside.... PR will be protected for the next few weeks while he is in the press, but once he’s in the main population, they’ll know who he is.

Wakefield

Maybe he'll go back to baking cakes instead in the prison kitchen?

I dread to think what he might put in them though!!

Something makes me think we have not heard the last of him.

You're not wrong there porkypies

 

[Kaykedi]

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