Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #10 *ARREST*

[Inspecthernightly]

Sounds more plausible putting it like that

I sincerely hope LE havnt dropped the ball on this one by placing to much emphasis on events in the park to the detriment of libbys possibly last movements in heathcote/wellesley

 

[Joolz1975]

Does this make sense ? ^^^^^^

Yes kind of but our Master bedroom is on the back so not always.

Also they manage children sharing a room and given up the biggest room for them or something?

 

[Audiohoney]

I remember scream posts in the MSM tabloid papers it definitely said she talked about with husband after the door police visit , she didn’t tell them at visit , it may have even been two days later she phoned it in. We discussed this a lot back in early thread as it was so strange she didn’t even mention it at time

Yes this is my interpretation too.

Never thought anything more of it. Police come knocking but the couple have nothing that can help them with their enquiries. Police leave. Over lunch the wife says “oh there was that terrified scream we heard two nights ago. Do you think that’s worth mentioning?” Husband: “I suppose so dear, let’s ring it in” cue call to 101.

This does not fill me with confidence. I’m not saying she’s lying, I think she did hear a bit of commotion as she said she often did with students passing. But once she’d been told about LS going missing, the commotion escalated in her mind. A combination of suggestion and wanting to help.

Sorry, but if the scream was as startling as it was made out to be, not reporting it there and then is one thing, but when police come knocking and you’re wracking your brain for anything out of place you may have heard that week ... surely it would jump immediately to mind? Not a couple of hours later whilst chatting to hubby prompting you to call 101.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

The other thing that worries me about it CMC is that the reportee describes the scream and voices as passing close by her house and students using the street as a cutthrough. Im assuming the main master bedroom is at front of house ,facing Heathcote ,and would be the one 95% of couples would use as their room?

Therefore shes describing an event that took place out front of her house on heathcote and not at the back in the tenfoot?

I thought she might have lived on the opposite side of Heathcote, and that the noise had carried over. It might have been thoroughly ruled out if someone else already confirmed it was them.

We just don't know. There could have been 100 witness reports in that general area that police have gone through. But something is definitely pointing them to the park.

 

[motherofdaughters]

It always goes quiet in the press once someone is charged.

You literally barely hear a word until trial.

Everyone is entitled to a fair trial the press can't jeopardise that.

If they charge him for anything to do with Libby you probably won't see anything other than odd snippet about court dates until the actual trial

It's a shame that SM does though.
There's no such thing as innocent until proven guilty anymore. More, trial through Facebook.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I remember scream posts in the MSM tabloid papers it definitely said she talked about with husband after the door police visit , she didn’t tell them at visit , it may have even been two days later she phoned it in. We discussed this a lot back in early thread as it was so strange she didn’t even mention it at time

I can't recall where I read it but I'm sure she said she got the days mixed up and thought the police meant Friday night. It was only when she read news reports that she realised it was actually Thursday night and called it in.

 

[Audiohoney]

I can't recall where I read it but I'm sure she said she got the days mixed up and thought the police meant Friday night. It was only when she read news reports that she realised it was actually Thursday night and called it in.

But surely it’s SO significant that as soon as law enforcement knock on your door you would sit with them and clarify the exact date? We’re talking about a startling scream in the exact vicinity a girl goes missing. I’d be sat with LE making sure I’d got my facts straight. It just seems too relaxed an approach for something so crucial IMO.

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

I sincerely hope LE havnt dropped the ball on this one by placing to much emphasis on events in the park to the detriment of libbys possibly last movements in heathcote/wellesley

Its more than possible both sites are more or less involved

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

Its more than possible both sites are more or less involved

ETA:
And dont stop thinking or theorising about what you think Ins.! A bit of good,robust, debate and to-ing and Fro-ing often works well all round

 

[Inspecthernightly]

But surely it’s SO significant that as soon as law enforcement knock on your door you would sit with them and clarify the exact date? We’re talking about a startling scream in the exact vicinity a girl goes missing. I’d be sat with LE making sure I’d got my facts straight. It just seems too relaxed an approach for something so crucial IMO.

Unfortunately some people are like that

 

[Cherwell]

Yes this is my interpretation too.

Never thought anything more of it. Police come knocking but the couple have nothing that can help them with their enquiries. Police leave. Over lunch the wife says “oh there was that terrified scream we heard two nights ago. Do you think that’s worth mentioning?” Husband: “I suppose so dear, let’s ring it in” cue call to 101.

This does not fill me with confidence. I’m not saying she’s lying, I think she did hear a bit of commotion as she said she often did with students passing. But once she’d been told about LS going missing, the commotion escalated in her mind. A combination of suggestion and wanting to help.

Sorry, but if the scream was as startling as it was made out to be, not reporting it there and then is one thing, but when police come knocking and you’re wracking your brain for anything out of place you may have heard that week ... surely it would jump immediately to mind? Not a couple of hours later whilst chatting to hubby prompting you to call 101.

I agree, and I would always put more trust in witnesses who go directly to the police without spilling their stories to the media.

 

[Cherwell]

I must say I did think the 'victim's' words in the original article ("this could have been avoided had I not been out alone") read strangely to me - like a Victorian cautionary tale told to young ladies.

I wonder if her motives were misguided but sincere in that she thought she could be protecting future Libbys via her fiction. Or maybe she's just disturbed/an attention seeker.

Sounds to me that she was angry with a person who she expected/wanted to walk her home, and who did not oblige. So she has tried to make them feel guilty.

 

[Hatfield]

But surely it’s SO significant that as soon as law enforcement knock on your door you would sit with them and clarify the exact date? We’re talking about a startling scream in the exact vicinity a girl goes missing. I’d be sat with LE making sure I’d got my facts straight. It just seems too relaxed an approach for something so crucial IMO.

But what if they had already deduced that it was just students having a good time and so in their mind they may have concluded and blew it off. So when LE came they may not have thought about it anymore because they had already stashed the thought away as just being students carrying on.

Then after LE left they kept racking their brain and it came back to them about the screams from the nights before that they blew off as just partying.

I can see it happening. The LE visit would have startled them in itself and people are sometimes afraid of LE so people sometimes shut down. Worried about things in their own house that they may not want LE to see. So I could see them maybe totally forgetting about it at first and not wanting to talk to LE very long. A short brief No we didnt see anything going on lately. Then later they rack their brain all day and put 2 + 2 together.

IMO I kind of think both reports of screams maybe true and the timing of one of them is off a little bit. Its not like people would immediately look at their clock to write down the time they hear something like that.

 

[Cherwell]

If I had to guess I'd say that you don't know you're without your keys till you get to the door. Taxi driver and two students confirm she did get to her door. No keys are the simplest explaination I think. It's difficult to come up with others.

I don't think I read that they saw her go to the door, only that she walked down the road away from her house (and fell over at some point). They may have been more specific in their statements, of course.

A point about keys and bags. When I was a student, a lot of us kept our door keys around our necks. On a necklace, a leather thong or just a piece of string, depending on one's style choices

 

[motherofdaughters]

I've just rewatched the ITV spidercam footage. I'm not pretty sure that the person sat in the car is wearing shorts/skirt. I can see definition on the legs of muscles and the knee. If they are trousers they are wearing skin tight, light coloured ones, possibly underneath the shorts/skirt. I can also see what looks like a sock line but I can't make out the shoes. Judging by the way they sit sideways in the car, smoking or whatever, I'd say shorts rather than a skirt. For a minute I wondered if in some bizzarre twist, this could actually be LS. Although, like everyone else I keep changing my mind. I've watched it and stopped it several times and still see bear legs now though. I can make very little out from the passenger getting in footage though.

Also, the car that drives off before. That must be coming from the dead end part?

 

[Joolz1975]

I've just rewatched the ITV spidercam footage. I'm not pretty sure that the person sat in the car is wearing shorts/skirt. I can see definition on the legs of muscles and the knee. If they are trousers they are wearing skin tight, light coloured ones, possibly underneath the shorts/skirt. I can also see what looks like a sock line but I can't make out the shoes. Judging by the way they sit sideways in the car, smoking or whatever, I'd say shorts rather than a skirt. For a minute I wondered if in some bizzarre twist, this could actually be LS. Although, like everyone else I keep changing my mind. I've watched it and stopped it several times and still see bear legs now though. I can make very little out from the passenger getting in footage though.

Also, the car that drives off before. That must be coming from the dead end part?

Which part are you on about them sitting sideways? Do you mean the passenger?

 

[Audiohoney]

I don't think I read that they saw her go to the door, only that she walked down the road away from her house (and fell over at some point). They may have been more specific in their statements, of course.

A point about keys and bags. When I was a student, a lot of us kept our door keys around our necks. On a necklace, a leather thong or just a piece of string, depending on one's style choices

Which country are you in Cherwell? A key on a ‘leather thong’ conjured up all kinds of images here

 

[Joolz1975]

Which country are you in Cherwell? A key on a ‘leather thong’ conjured up all kinds of images here

 

[Pinkizzy]

I really can’t see her being out without cash or at the very least a bank card. And many licenced taxis will take card payment these days. If I don’t want a bulky wallet with me I’ll stick my contactless card in a coat pocket. I can potentially see them leave the house together and only one of the group taking a key - although we haven’t had confirmation she was without her keys.

I also can’t see the Welly covering her cab fee. She was too drunk to get in the club and sadly, but quite rightly, refused entry. They’re not obliged to pay the cab fare home for every student too drunk to gain entry. I’ve not seen this reported anywhere and can’t believe that would be the case.

I reckon that The Piper pays your taxi fare home but it keeps your student card until debt is paid

 

[Joolz1975]

I reckon that The Piper pays your taxi fare home but it keeps your student card until debt is paid

She wasn't in the piper.

Maybe someone should phone the Welly and ask their procedure on turning away drunk lone females?

I'd do it but I've shown myself up in the name of websleuths once this week already.