Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #11 *ARREST*

[Newthoughts]

I can imagine that someone who gets their kicks from flashing, voyeur-ing and stealing other people's underwear and sex toys is not turned on by actual physical contact. It does sound like that kind of person wants to experience sex at a distance rather than get all involved in touching/raping and killing. It wouldn't suprise me if Spiderman turns out to have offered a lift, but is not the reason for Libby's disappearance. Drunk + extreme cold can mean that a person winds up dead, sadly.

Sadly drunk and extremely cold people can wind up dead. That was my initial thought. But wouldn't they be easily found unless there is water involved?. Even if they snuggle under hedges. Especially with police and sniffer dogs. People were asked to check sheds etc. Police certainly questioned people in the locality.

One of our students sadly drowned in a river in fresher' week. But it was in the middle of a city with with a path running alongside. It was on his route home and CCTV put him close by. It took just over a week to find him. Libby still hasn't been found

PR told his sister he intended to take her home and that he'd told her he'd put her address his sat nav. It's a quick route by sat nav. The area around her home has been searched.
Even if he dropped her off before her house for some reason I can't see where she could disappear.

Nor can I see anywhere on the quickest route to her home that would bring her to the sort of water that would sweep her away to the Humber and beyond before the massive police search.

Nobody can predict where the sorts of things PRs been charged with will lead. Or how his pattern compares with others. A psychiatrist can, I guess, give informed opinions.

Unless Libby is found alive or with significant forensic evidence it'll be hard to ascertain what happened for sure.

 

[Newthoughts]

So, on the basis that we all know basically next to nothing and the police almost certainly have a lot more info than we do I have come up with a scenario, feel free to
pick apart.. or dare i say it.. agree....

I think the police have a lot more CCTV footage than we know about so going on this thought this is how my theory goes.. please note there’s no foxes in this..


The top of Haworth, at the bollards can be seen from the Beverly camera (I’m guessing this) PRs car is captured turning here but then not exiting Haworth again for a good while. (As he is the one on the spider cam)


The same CCTV captures the Megane (I think we’ve decided that’s what it is) then see PR speaking to LS AFTER the Megane leaves so know that the Megane is not involved. Could this be Grey Beard and his car?


the Beverly Road camera can only see the bollards and not any further down Haworth, but it captures PR and LS start to head down Haworth but don’t know how far they went as there are no cameras down there. (Except spider cam which I think captures them both getting in his car) PR tells the police she did get in his car but got out again very quickly, even before the bend on Haworth.


Another camera captures PR car exit Haworth soon after him and LS walk down Haworth street, they can’t tell from this CCTV if LS is in the car or not but assume she is as there’s no evidence of her walking out of Haworth on her own.


PRs car is captured going to the park but they don’t know if LR was still in it or had in fact got out on Haworth, they have found no evidence that LS remained in Haworth (they did do some searches here and nothing was found) so they go with the fact he’s lying and he took her to the park. PR car captured again after the park but this time they are sure he is the only person in it as it’s a clear view, so as no evidence of her remaining anywhere on Haworth, nor is she captured again on CCTV they come to the logical conclusion PR took her to and left her in the park, likely in the water, either by her running off and falling in or by murder and using the water to conceal the body.


They know she got in the car but don’t know how or when she got out, most likely it was at the park so they are desperately trying to find some evidence here.

Where does it say PR told police Libby got out of his car in Haworth?

 

[Vermont24]

Somebody tweeted at local police a couple of weeks ago, along with a photo, that a Megane had been abandoned in a remote field near the Humber.

I'm a new member and don't know how much the 'second car' theory has been discussed here. It could be totally unrelated, but if it has gone on to form part of the investigation we won't find out until much further down the line.

 

[Joolz1975]

Where does it say PR told police Libby got out of his car in Haworth?

Have you read the post???

This was just sarahjo giving her opinion of what may have happened.

It's no different to you giving yours...except sarahjo rightly states it's just her thoughts, whereas you state yours as fact (which they are not)

 

[Sarahjo]

Where does it say PR told police Libby got out of his car in Haworth?

Nowhere, I have noted this is MY theory

 

[Vermont24]

That's not really a rumour, as I'm not suggesting anything.

 

[Joolz1975]

Deleted

 

[Vermont24]

No problem. Mods can delete as they see fit. So does MSM take precedent over Social on this forum? I just want to be clear so I don't upset anyone.

 

[Joolz1975]

No problem. Mods can delete as they see fit. So does MSM take precedent over Social on this forum? I just want to be clear so I don't upset anyone.

We can't reference any social media as it's not confirmed and generally just rumour.

We can reference MSM though.

 

[scootermuppet]

Sadly drunk and extremely cold people can wind up dead. That was my initial thought. But wouldn't they be easily found unless there is water involved?. Even if they snuggle under hedges. Especially with police and sniffer dogs. People were asked to check sheds etc. Police certainly questioned people in the locality.

One of our students sadly drowned in a river in fresher' week. But it was in the middle of a city with with a path running alongside. It was on his route home and CCTV put him close by. It took just over a week to find him. Libby still hasn't been found

PR told his sister he intended to take her home and that he'd told her he'd put her address his sat nav. It's a quick route by sat nav. The area around her home has been searched.
Even if he dropped her off before her house for some reason I can't see where she could disappear.

Nor can I see anywhere on the quickest route to her home that would bring her to the sort of water that would sweep her away to the Humber and beyond before the massive police search.

Nobody can predict where the sorts of things PRs been charged with will lead. Or how his pattern compares with others. A psychiatrist can, I guess, give informed opinions.

Unless Libby is found alive or with significant forensic evidence it'll be hard to ascertain what happened for sure.

I suppose though in saying he took her home...if she did in fact not have keys on her possibly, she would still not be able to get in to the house? It’s a mystery.

 

[Vermont24]

Understood.

Regarding MSM as being reliable and 'confirmed' by default is pretty problematic though, particularly with UK news coverage. The red top tabloids pay people for information, and this is where dubious things like the 'blood-curdling' screams come from. The Hull Daily Mail gets a lot of criticism, most of it justified, but they've been excellent with the LS coverage. Absolutely nothing has been published which hasn't been verified by LE's press team.

 

[Inspecthernightly]

We can't reference any social media as it's not confirmed and generally just rumour.

We can reference MSM though.

As ive found out to my embarrassment quoting msm can be as unreliable as social media partly due to sloppy journalism

 

[Joolz1975]

As ive found out to my embarrassment quoting msm can be as unreliable as social media partly due to sloppy journalism

Absolutely but if the MSM have printed the story first then at least they can take the blame for it been inaccurate.

 

[Cherwell]

Somebody tweeted at local police a couple of weeks ago, along with a photo, that a Megane had been abandoned in a remote field near the Humber.

I'm a new member and don't know how much the 'second car' theory has been discussed here. It could be totally unrelated, but if it has gone on to form part of the investigation we won't find out until much further down the line.

See, this sort of "rumour" seems harmless to me. No names or addresses mentioned, so no risk of libel or defamation.

 

[Pinkizzy]

Im not being flippant however, has anyone asked Alexa a question about LS?

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

Understood.

Regarding MSM as being reliable and 'confirmed' by default is pretty problematic though, particularly with UK news coverage. The red top tabloids pay people for information, and this is where dubious things like the 'blood-curdling' screams come from. The Hull Daily Mail gets a lot of criticism, most of it justified, but they've been excellent with the LS coverage. Absolutely nothing has been published which hasn't been verified by LE's press team.

I see your point but
is that the role of the Press though, Vermont? A compliant mouthpiece for LE?

Ps.. on page1 of each new thread are moderator posts laying out guidelines on WS. Not too long and worth a read /helpful

 

[Joolz1975]

Im not being flippant however, has anyone asked Alexa a question about LS?

Just asked her and she knows NOTHING.

 

[Vermont24]

I see your point but
is that the role of the Press though, Vermont? A compliant mouthpiece for LE?

Ps.. on page1 of each new thread are moderator posts laying out guidelines on WS. Not too long and worth a read /helpful

Of course not, no. But there's a difference between a free press and one which doesn't care about fact-checking.

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

Im not being flippant however, has anyone asked Alexa a question about LS?

Talking about Flippancy...it's Pancake Day. Butter, Sugar and a Squeeze of Lemon on mine please. Sorry for Flippant Flip Flippancy.

 

[Chester]

Proof of...?? What have I missed?
1. Someone did something to Libby?
2. The person who did something to Libby used to be a flasher?
3. PR is a convicted flasher AND is guilty of having done something to Libby?

Sorry for all the questions but I've read back, and checked MSM and can't find where this has come from

Somebody has decided it's true. Nothing is going to change their mind.

Concepts like innocent until proven guilty, lack of actual evidence in the public domain, lack actual facts or lack academic studies proving wild assumptions don't seem to matter. It's been decided.