Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #11 *ARREST*

[Newthoughts]

Jool1975 and hitthenick let's answer your points.

This isn't the British judicial system. It isn't the police. 'It's a place to try and find something by discussing possibilities. It's not supposed to stand up in court.

Lets deal with hittthenicks water claim. and the liklihood of her being dead.

She went missing on a night with temperatures of about -5 in an outfit for going to a club. If nothing else had happened hypothermia was a real and significant risk to her!

She's been gone for over 4 weeks. No money or phone. No sightings. What is your liklihood she's alive?

Now the water claim. Several witnesses reported her to be highly intoxicated. Not able to walk far.

She was last seen on a bench on a street. According to police reports.

The nearest bodies of water would require Libby to have stumbled off that bench and walk to them. Avoiding every CCTV and dash cam and potential witness en route to have got herself to water in a much darker area.

So unless you have knowledge of a particularly hazardous puddle that claims many student lives on that bench it's likely she didn't get herself to water and suffer the fate suggested for drunk students.

If you do have evidence for her heading to water after the bench please share it. Or perhaps you haven't read the statement in conttext!

 

[Vermont24]

He picked her up, took her there and something happened - no idea what because its speculation between the bench and the park but she almost certianly has succumbed to the water - if we believe the police searches.

The banks of the river are slimy mud and very slippy with not much to hold her down like reeds. Whether she was pushed in there or fell in there we will not know but it's the likeliest scenario if we take things without putting a load of silly stuff in between.

In other words, the simplest things usually happen.

On another hand, the police couldn't charge him after 96 hours with anything whatsoever to do with her disappearance which is very telling to be honest.

CPS in the UK now need very strong evidence to be able to charge someone with a strong view to gaining a conviction in the courts of law. They, at that point clearly didn't have that evidence to proceed with a case. That leads the enquiry into other avenues immediately.

Personally, despite the police's efforts, I really feel they don't have much at all if anything to go on, until and if they find her body or her alive. There's rumours galore about what the police have or don't have on him, I have heard one or two things which seem very strong from a close source but a feeling is that they just simply don't have the means to proceed, hence clutching at all these willy nilly searches. They have a circumstantial plan but that plan isn't a compelling case to proceed and that plan is mainly based on what if this and what if that - meaning they can place him in area's but they can't place her in area's at the same time which just isn't enough to gain a possible conviction beyond all reasonable doubt which is what is required in a court of law with a jury intact.

It looks like one of these missing people unsolved cases now, and there's plenty of them in the UK.

I'd go along with that in terms of circumstances. When people go missing in Hull, water is generally a safe bet. In this case, that's been the opinion of many of us locally since the first day of searches. My initial thought was that if nobody else is involved, she'd be in the Beverley & Barmston Drain by way of an accident. If somebody else was involved, maliciously, it'd be the River Hull.

 

[Inspecthernightly]

If he changes his plea to guilty, I believe there’s a chance he could walk out with a suspended sentence or have a short amount of time left to serve. He’d be jailed if found guilty in a trial, although I’m unsure of how long for.

 

[Inspecthernightly]

If he changes his plea to guilty, I believe there’s a chance he could walk out with a suspended sentence or have a short amount of time left to serve. He’d be jailed if found guilty in a trial, although I’m unsure of how long for.

 

[Inspecthernightly]

If he pleads not guilty, and is found guilty by a jury, I’m sure he’ll get a custodial sentence, albeit, probably a short amount on top of his remand. I think he’s going guilty on Monday, unless he’s as fearless and brazen as he looks.

If he pleads not guilty, and is found guilty by a jury, I’m sure he’ll get a custodial sentence, albeit, probably a short amount on top of his remand. I think he’s going guilty on Monday, unless he’s as fearless and brazen as he looks.

I think he will change his plea to guilty, makes more sense if LE have enough evidence to go to trial, suspended sentence and walks IMO

 

[Inspecthernightly]

I’m confused where that car came from, wasn’t it the bollarded (is that a real word?) end?

Yes it came from the dead end heading towards cott road exit

 

[Inspecthernightly]

Yes - it could have been someone dropping something off to a resident (Just Eat, for example) or someone picking someone up I guess.

I think too this is a possibily a someone picking a worker/drinker up, im not convinced its PR and libby on spidercam.

 

[Inspecthernightly]

He picked her up, took her there and something happened - no idea what because its speculation between the bench and the park but she almost certianly has succumbed to the water - if we believe the police searches.

The banks of the river are slimy mud and very slippy with not much to hold her down like reeds. Whether she was pushed in there or fell in there we will not know but it's the likeliest scenario if we take things without putting a load of silly stuff in between.

In other words, the simplest things usually happen.

On another hand, the police couldn't charge him after 96 hours with anything whatsoever to do with her disappearance which is very telling to be honest.

CPS in the UK now need very strong evidence to be able to charge someone with a strong view to gaining a conviction in the courts of law. They, at that point clearly didn't have that evidence to proceed with a case. That leads the enquiry into other avenues immediately.

Personally, despite the police's efforts, I really feel they don't have much at all if anything to go on, until and if they find her body or her alive. There's rumours galore about what the police have or don't have on him, I have heard one or two things which seem very strong from a close source but a feeling is that they just simply don't have the means to proceed, hence clutching at all these willy nilly searches. They have a circumstantial plan but that plan isn't a compelling case to proceed and that plan is mainly based on what if this and what if that - meaning they can place him in area's but they can't place her in area's at the same time which just isn't enough to gain a possible conviction beyond all reasonable doubt which is what is required in a court of law with a jury intact.

It looks like one of these missing people unsolved cases now, and there's plenty of them in the UK.

Whats yout opinion on spidercam, do you think its PR?

 

[molly67]

I think too this is a possibily a someone picking a worker/drinker up, im not convinced its PR and libby on spidercam.

Would have thought then the real person/person's on spidercam would have come forward as the Astra driver would then be a possible witness JMO it would appear the cctv is inconclusive and that being the reason he was not charged with abduction ( he was initially arrested in connection with abduction) .... let's wait and see what Monday brings.

I believe it's PR and he's taken her out into the countryside .... I don't think he murdered her in the car - I think it was when he got to his destination.

OLD LINK
Man arrested over disappearance of Hull student Libby Squire

 

[Joelle88]

Would have thought then the real person/person's on spidercam would have come forward as the Astra driver would then be a possible witness JMO it would appear the cctv is inconclusive and that being the reason the abduction charge seems to be dropped .... let's wait and see what Monday brings.

I believe it's PR and he's taken her out into the countryside .... I don't think he murdered her in the car - I think it was when he got to his destination.

He was never charged with abduction. Questioned for 96 hours and then charged with offences unrelated to Libby.

 

[molly67]

He was never charged with abduction. Questioned for 96 hours and then charged with offences unrelated to Libby.

Thanks Joelle - I will go back and edit - I don't know why I even typed that.

 

[Chester]

But in this case they have and the consequences are huge.

You have proof of this?

Please give it to the Police as they have spent a month struggling to find it.

 

[Inspecthernightly]

Would have thought then the real person/person's on spidercam would have come forward as the Astra driver would then be a possible witness JMO it would appear the cctv is inconclusive and that being the reason he was not charged with abduction ( he was initially arrested in connection with abduction) .... let's wait and see what Monday brings.

I believe it's PR and he's taken her out into the countryside .... I don't think he murdered her in the car - I think it was when he got to his destination.

OLD LINK
Man arrested over disappearance of Hull student Libby Squire

I think thats all we can do atm, wait and see what happens on11 march

 

[Chester]

Jool1975 and hitthenick let's answer your points.

This isn't the British judicial system. It isn't the police. 'It's a place to try and find something by discussing possibilities. It's not supposed to stand up in court.

Lets deal with hittthenicks water claim. and the liklihood of her being dead.

She went missing on a night with temperatures of about -5 in an outfit for going to a club. If nothing else had happened hypothermia was a real and significant risk to her!

She's been gone for over 4 weeks. No money or phone. No sightings. What is your liklihood she's alive?

Now the water claim. Several witnesses reported her to be highly intoxicated. Not able to walk far.

She was last seen on a bench on a street. According to police reports.

The nearest bodies of water would require Libby to have stumbled off that bench and walk to them. Avoiding every CCTV and dash cam and potential witness en route to have got herself to water in a much darker area.

So unless you have knowledge of a particularly hazardous puddle that claims many student lives on that bench it's likely she didn't get herself to water and suffer the fate suggested for drunk students.

If you do have evidence for her heading to water after the bench please share it. Or perhaps you haven't read the statement in conttext!

Libby managed to stumble nearly a quarter of a mile in her highly intoxicated state. The cold, fresh air and her body breaking down the alcohol would mean she was starting to sober up. As she sobered up she would become more coordinated and have more chance to walk/run farther.

Considering that the bulk of the Police searches concentrated on the nearby park and given that park's proximity to the River Hull the distances involved would not be impossible even in a highly intoxicated state.

 

[Chester]

The police, who we can assume know far more than any of is have PR in custody.

The carefully edited Spidercam footage is from a reputable and recognised news outlet. It's fairly safe to assume they've liaised with the police. Earlier discussions seem to have concluded it's a good working hypothesis that it shows Libby and PR. Thats all it is. A working hypothesis. That's all you're ever going to have.

PR has been charged with sexually motivated crimes. I know the evidence linking him to one charge is extremely good and compelling. So we can safely hypothesise he is a sexually motivated criminal even if just for one crime.

If the police, with their evidence, think PR is the last person to see her and they think she has come to harm it is a working hypothesis that he could be responsible. In the context that post was made (do you read in context) her friends, the taxi driver, the club, grey beard. beard are NOT responsible for that harm. At any point

So whether whoever is responsible flashed her, attempted to rape her, they are responsible for putting her in a situation where she was unsafe.

I find it interesting that you are not taking issue with people that have attempted to blame her friends or her st

How do you know that the evidence linking him to any charges is 'extremely good and compelling'?

As he hasn't even appeared at Crown Court yet for even the most basic of case management meetings, the evidence against him is unknown, it hasn't been presented. Even his defence team will not know at this stage what the evidence against him is. Yet you do?

 

[Quintet]

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To be honest I've thought foxes could be a possibity re the screams. My daughter lived in Beresford a short while ago and said they had been heard on occasion.

January is fox mating season apparently! Blood-curdling...hmm

 

[Sarahjo]

So, on the basis that we all know basically next to nothing and the police almost certainly have a lot more info than we do I have come up with a scenario, feel free to
pick apart.. or dare i say it.. agree....

I think the police have a lot more CCTV footage than we know about so going on this thought this is how my theory goes.. please note there’s no foxes in this..


The top of Haworth, at the bollards can be seen from the Beverly camera (I’m guessing this) PRs car is captured turning here but then not exiting Haworth again for a good while. (As he is the one on the spider cam)


The same CCTV captures the Megane (I think we’ve decided that’s what it is) then see PR speaking to LS AFTER the Megane leaves so know that the Megane is not involved. Could this be Grey Beard and his car?


the Beverly Road camera can only see the bollards and not any further down Haworth, but it captures PR and LS start to head down Haworth but don’t know how far they went as there are no cameras down there. (Except spider cam which I think captures them both getting in his car) PR tells the police she did get in his car but got out again very quickly, even before the bend on Haworth.


Another camera captures PR car exit Haworth soon after him and LS walk down Haworth street, they can’t tell from this CCTV if LS is in the car or not but assume she is as there’s no evidence of her walking out of Haworth on her own.


PRs car is captured going to the park but they don’t know if LR was still in it or had in fact got out on Haworth, they have found no evidence that LS remained in Haworth (they did do some searches here and nothing was found) so they go with the fact he’s lying and he took her to the park. PR car captured again after the park but this time they are sure he is the only person in it as it’s a clear view, so as no evidence of her remaining anywhere on Haworth, nor is she captured again on CCTV they come to the logical conclusion PR took her to and left her in the park, likely in the water, either by her running off and falling in or by murder and using the water to conceal the body.


They know she got in the car but don’t know how or when she got out, most likely it was at the park so they are desperately trying to find some evidence here.

 

[Quintet]

The same CCTV captures the Megane (I think we’ve decided that’s what it is) then see PR speaking to LS AFTER the Megane leaves so know that the Megane is not involved. Could this be Grey Beard and his car?

Grey Beard chap was driving a Citroen, silver in colour, the car...not his beard!

 

[LucyRocket]

You have proof of this?

Please give it to the Police as they have spent a month struggling to find it.

Proof of...?? What have I missed?
1. Someone did something to Libby?
2. The person who did something to Libby used to be a flasher?
3. PR is a convicted flasher AND is guilty of having done something to Libby?

Sorry for all the questions but I've read back, and checked MSM and can't find where this has come from

 

[Sarahjo]

Grey Beard chap was driving a Citroen, silver in colour, the car...not his beard!

So he was! I forgot this part.. really intrigued about Megane then, surely they must have saw something..perhaps they did and police know...