Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #11 *ARREST*

[Quintet]

I have to believe that he was in possession of some pretty incriminating evidence - they took so much from his house. I don't know the whole psychology of this, but he must have held onto items as trophies, and they could have easily been hidden without the knowledge of his wife. With regard to charges related to behaviors??? eye-witness identification...I feel like they have strong evidence with all of these charges that are unrelated to LS.

I hope so for sure! Me personally, if my husband was going out as often as he seems to have, I would be having a ruddy great rummage to make sure he wasn’t up to no good!! I’m just suspicious I reckon! Ha

 

[Atoz]

Hello all, new here. I am a lawyer, I don’t specialise in criminal law but I have studied it for many years etc so I can hopefully shed some light on what isn’t quite so obvious.
For burglary, trespass is part of what we call the conduct element of the crime - the actus reus. Trespass must always be proven in a charge of burglary (among other elements, but I won’t go there now). Trespass takes on a different legal meaning, where breaking and entering (by force per say) is not part and parcel to trespassing. Trespassing is simply entering land which you don’t have permission to be on, if that makes sense. So in a nutshell, trespass will always be proven for a charge of burglary, but breaking in by force need not be. It will likely be a sentencing factor though.

Welcome aboard! Facts are most definitely welcome here.

 

[Joolz1975]

Hello all, new here. I am a lawyer, I don’t specialise in criminal law but I have studied it for many years etc so I can hopefully shed some light on what isn’t quite so obvious.
For burglary, trespass is part of what we call the conduct element of the crime - the actus reus. Trespass must always be proven in a charge of burglary (among other elements, but I won’t go there now). Trespass takes on a different legal meaning, where breaking and entering (by force per say) is not part and parcel to trespassing. Trespassing is simply entering land which you don’t have permission to be on, if that makes sense. So in a nutshell, trespass will always be proven for a charge of burglary, but breaking in by force need not be. It will likely be a sentencing factor though.

Thank you! And welcome

 

[Happylappy101]

You should be careful now that you have identified yourself! I'm sure a lot of questions will be coming up over the next week or so...unless you decide to retreat, you could be pretty busy as our "resident expert"!

Haha I am very happy to help! I check the forum when I can, so any direct messages I’ll try and answer

 

[Plod]

Hello - first post - nervous so treat me well.

I’m guessing that the plea hearing at Crown Court next week will be adjourned whilst the new charges are put to him, and his Defence and he have a chance to see the new evidence. I imagine another month to wait then... plus if he does plead guilty, then it’s likely that it will be adjourned for sentencing reports especially a psychological report as there are sexual offences in there.

Sexual offences, plus burglary charges may mean a longer sentence likely a year plus. Time for LE to work out what’s happened re Libby. Maybe they are hoping a spell in jail may loosen his tongue, and he might own up to a few things to his fellows in person. Many a crime has been inravelled by a late night chat to a cell mate.

Plus I’m also thinking Humberside Police are busy with him at the moment, as they consider the bigger picture. If it looks like he’s out in the streets again, It could be police forces from other counties night like to have a chat with him also.

 

[Quintet]

Hello all, new here. I am a lawyer, I don’t specialise in criminal law but I have studied it for many years etc so I can hopefully shed some light on what isn’t quite so obvious.
For burglary, trespass is part of what we call the conduct element of the crime - the actus reus. Trespass must always be proven in a charge of burglary (among other elements, but I won’t go there now). Trespass takes on a different legal meaning, where breaking and entering (by force per say) is not part and parcel to trespassing. Trespassing is simply entering land which you don’t have permission to be on, if that makes sense. So in a nutshell, trespass will always be proven for a charge of burglary, but breaking in by force need not be. It will likely be a sentencing factor though.

Ermmm how long have you been hovering??
I don’t actually own a frying pan (teal) and I have absolutely no idea where my nearest pig farm is neither!

Welcome! You can assist us all no end I’m sure!!

 

[ly502]

Hello - first post - nervous so treat me well.

I’m guessing that the plea hearing at Crown Court next week will be adjourned whilst the new charges are put to him, and his Defence and he have a chance to see the new evidence. I imagine another month to wait then... plus if he does plead guilty, then it’s likely that it will be adjourned for sentencing reports especially a psychological report as there are sexual offences in there.

Sexual offences, plus burglary charges may mean a longer sentence likely a year plus. Time for LE to work out what’s happened re Libby. Maybe they are hoping a spell in jail may loosen his tongue, and he might own up to a few things to his fellows in person. Many a crime has been inravelled by a late night chat to a cell mate.

Plus I’m also thinking Humberside Police are busy with him at the moment, as they consider the bigger picture. If it looks like he’s out in the streets again, It could be police forces from other counties night like to have a chat with him also.

Great first post! welcome. I think you have some very logical thoughts as to things that will probably take place...the evaluation, the hope that he eventually can't keep his mouth shut (we know he is impulsive to some extent).

 

[Deleted member 238128]

Hello - first post - nervous so treat me well.

I’m guessing that the plea hearing at Crown Court next week will be adjourned whilst the new charges are put to him, and his Defence and he have a chance to see the new evidence. I imagine another month to wait then... plus if he does plead guilty, then it’s likely that it will be adjourned for sentencing reports especially a psychological report as there are sexual offences in there.

Sexual offences, plus burglary charges may mean a longer sentence likely a year plus. Time for LE to work out what’s happened re Libby. Maybe they are hoping a spell in jail may loosen his tongue, and he might own up to a few things to his fellows in person. Many a crime has been inravelled by a late night chat to a cell mate.

Plus I’m also thinking Humberside Police are busy with him at the moment, as they consider the bigger picture. If it looks like he’s out in the streets again, It could be police forces from other counties night like to have a chat with him also.

Delighted to have you and Happylappy here, enjoyed your first posts Thank you!

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Welcome @Happylappy101 and @Plod and anyone else who recently joined, always good to have new eyes on the case!

 

[Joolz1975]

Great first post! welcome. I think you have some very logical thoughts as to things that will probably take place...the evaluation, the hope that he eventually can't keep his mouth shut (we know he is impulsive to some extent).

We need him to do a Tabak and fess up for sure.

 

[Chester]

This might be a daft question but here goes

The police have new charges of burglary and receiving stolen good. If they had found a stack of stolen goods in his possession what would make them distinguish between ones they'd thought he had stolen and ones they thought someone else had stolen? Does that suggest they have the original thief already?

Another daft question. The new charges again include burglary. The last burglary charges were trespass rather then breaking in. Is is always the case if the police just say burglary? Or could that include breaking and entering.

We don't know the exact details of the actual charges until he appears in court tomorrow.

It may help to take a look at Wikipedia and the technical definition of Burglary Burglary in English law - Wikipedia as our new lawyer member stated earlier, trespass forms an essential element.

The new charges may have come from crimes that were not reported at the time (victims coming forward after PR's charges were made public) or crimes that have been harder to match him to. If they have relied on forensics they take time to process in the real world, nobody has a 'match the criminal to the trace evidence machine' like they do on CSI etc.

 

[Quintet]

We need him to do a Tabak and fess up for sure.

We haven’t got time for Greek Dancing, we’ve a crime to sleuth...

 

[Sammie1970]

Today has made me wonder if York Police maybe visiting him soon, does humberside police cover that area too?

 

[Joolz1975]

We haven’t got time for Greek Dancing, we’ve a crime to sleuth...

Trouble is there isn't a great deal to go on and I don't know what's fact or what's fiction anymore!! I think the bit about the tiger was real though

 

[TheCasual]

If there is any positives are from this.

It's a very dangerous sexual deviant is going to be taken off the street and people will be aware of him(If guilty of obviously).

 

[Joolz1975]

Today has made me wonder if York Police maybe visiting him soon, does humberside police cover that area too?

North Yorkshire police would cover York.

 

[Chester]

We need him to do a Tabak and fess up for sure.

Tabak out smarted himself, we don't know if this guy is smart enough to do that (yet).

 

[Sammie1970]

North Yorkshire police would cover York.

Sorry I’m not local and wasn’t sure. Thanks

 

[Vermont24]

Today has made me wonder if York Police maybe visiting him soon, does humberside police cover that area too?

Humberside doesn't include York, no, but the forces will obviously talk if there's reason to.

 

[Quintet]

Today has made me wonder if York Police maybe visiting him soon, does humberside police cover that area too?

It’s North Yorkshire Police for the York area, for instance Tadcaster, York, Malton etc , but, expect they would be conferring re their open cases.