Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #11 *ARREST*

[Audiohoney]

In fairness, we don't know a lot about John (other than him not being a fan of my photography).

I’ve missed something Vermont! Which picture of yours did John take issue with?! Or was the a residents committee style gripe in the group you run?!

I don’t think LE would be waiting around for anybody to return from anywhere to politely request a key would they? Surely on an investigation like this they’d be letting themselves in with the magic key!!

 

[NowhereMan]

Having looked at the SM on the case, I have to say that without ‘bang to rights’ evidence, I would be arguing that there is no chance of a fair trial should the current person of interest be charged. (Even deleted comments may skew a jury verdict)

The crimes he is accused of are clearly bad but the link between the two has become an emotional hotbed of post hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacy. Or to put it bluntly, there is a lynch mob mentality that has already decided on his guilt, mixing the accusations of one case with the others.

The basic precept of our justice system is being innocent until proven guilty. However the name of POI has become so public, I worry that his guilt is already assumed and the position of ‘reasonable doubt’ has moved for anybody aware of the case.

 

[KING Charles]

This is the alley behind PR house for anyone interested. You can see where the alleyway stops just before PR house. I have marked it with red dot on roof.

 

[Vermont24]

I’ve missed something Vermont! Which picture of yours did John take issue with?! Or was the a residents committee style gripe in the group you run?!

I don’t think LE would be waiting around for anybody to return from anywhere to politely request a key would they? Surely on an investigation like this they’d be letting themselves in with the magic key!!

He was briefly my tutor, many moons ago.

 

[Audiohoney]

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He was briefly my tutor, many moons ago.

Sorry, I do remember seeing that post now! thank you for reminding me!

 

[CoverMeCagney]

He was briefly my tutor, many moons ago.

Fancy popping round for a catch up with the old fella?

 

[jessie]

Having looked at the SM on the case, I have to say that without ‘bang to rights’ evidence, I would be arguing that there is no chance of a fair trial should the current person of interest be charged. (Even deleted comments may skew a jury verdict)

The crimes he is accused of are clearly bad but the link between the two has become an emotional hotbed of post hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacy. Or to put it bluntly, there is a lynch mob mentality that has already decided on his guilt, mixing the accusations of one case with the others.

The basic precept of our justice system is being innocent until proven guilty. However the name of POI has become so public, I worry that his guilt is already assumed and the position of ‘reasonable doubt’ has moved for anybody aware of the case.

I am in total agreement @NowhereMan. This bothers me greatly.

 

[Cherwell]

I am in total agreement @NowhereMan. This bothers me greatly.

Me too. It's an unusual situation.

 

[Plod]

• Me too. It's an unusual situation.

  Well if he were to ever stand trial for her abduction/kidnap/murder / and that’s a very big “if” at present - they’d chose the jury very very carefully. Possibly with people who have no knowledge of case at all - and there will be some somewhere.

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

Police focus on alleyway in search for missing Hull student Libby

I'm finding it difficult to comprehend why they would return and search the alley behind PR's house after all this time. Would they not have searched that alley with dogs as a matter of procedure when the investigation initially begun?

I don't know if connected, but it seems that some weeks ago a resident of Raglan Street reported the banging gate (seemingly something about it enough to warrant notice) to the alley on the night in question to the police. Whether they have only just got around to linking that call in amidst all the, no doubt dozens and dozens of other 'sightings' and 'suspicious activity' calls from the public, I don't know...

 

[motherofdaughters]

I don't know if connected, but it seems that some weeks ago a resident of Raglan Street reported the banging gate (seemingly something about it enough to warrant notice) to the alley on the night in question to the police. Whether they have only just got around to linking that call in amidst all the, no doubt dozens and dozens of other 'sightings' and 'suspicious activity' calls from the public, I don't know...

I saw that on SM but discounted it as it’s not actually been reported in the press or by the LE.
Just another case of my sister’s, friend’s, uncle’s parrot told me.
As far as we know.

 

[Cherwell]

Well if he were to ever stand trial for her abduction/kidnap/murder / and that’s a very big “if” at present - they’d chose the jury very very carefully. Possibly with people who have no knowledge of case at all - and there will be some somewhere.

The trial wouldn't take place anywhere near Hull, that's for sure.

 

[Z03]

Just a general question here...
If it is PR that has murdered her and disposed of her body, how in 2019 can he get away with it? Surely there would be DNA from her on him? Scratch marks on him? He would have had her in his car so cadaver dogs would have detected her or some from of DNA. Same with the park.. there would be some DNA if there was a crime committed there. How has he or anyone managed to get away with this so far?! Why can't they just trace the car from 12.09 onwards.. there are cctv everywhere.

 

[motherofdaughters]

Just a general question here...
If it is PR that has murdered her and disposed of her body, how in 2019 can he get away with it? Surely there would be DNA from her on him? Scratch marks on him? He would have had her in his car so cadaver dogs would have detected her or some from of DNA. Same with the park.. there would be some DNA if there was a crime committed there. How has he or anyone managed to get away with this so far?! Why can't they just trace the car from 12.09 onwards.. there are cctv everywhere.

They potentially (most likely, as they questioned him for 96 hours) have evidence linking that they were in some form
of contact that night. Be it DNA/fibres, CCTV or witness testimony.
Being with someone and someone being in your car or touching you isn’t a crime though. They have to prove someone took her against her will and that she has come to harm. It’s been reported that PR has told his family he helped a distressed girl. The LE haven’t released this though and I don’t think it’s been quantified if it was LS or just a ‘distressed girl’.
So yes, there’ll be evidence but does that evidence prove someone took her/harmed her and prove it beyond reasonable doubt.
I’m sure someone will be along to explain it better.

 

[Mollie123]

Totally out of the blue PR was arrested on suspicion of abduction primarily.
There must have been evidence to suggest this initially. The only reason or suggestion open to the public re this is surely the spidercam?

 

[Plod]

His mum said that she was in his car - this will be heresay. But the police will have searched that car for the evidence she was in there. We don’t know if they found any - and we can’t. But the difficulty is that can they prove abduction - or did she willingly get in that car and what happened then? Can they prove it without reasonable doubt? Or is it as PR told his wife/mum?

 

[Cherwell]

Whether traces of her were found in his car or not, it seems clear that the police have found no evidence that he harmed her. If they did, they would have charged him.

 

[Oulton]

I think she would be under duress to get in with a stranger. To me, looking at the spider cam footage, I think he had perhaps flashed her a little earlier, and she tries to walk off away but takes the route past his car and he intercepted her. She wouldn’t know he had a car sat there waiting. IMO

 

[Plod]

Whether traces of her were found in his car or not, it seems clear that the police have found no evidence that he harmed her. If they did, they would have charged him.

Agreed

 

[Z03]

I get that its the proof that they are struggling with.
I guess I went off on a tangent but my question was meant to be .. how can in 2019 a body just disappear with no forensic evidence? He is a petty criminal, he isn't a mastermind and I would think that you would have to be incredibly smart and also have the crime be premeditated to leave no forensic evidence. Especially in the dark.
*if he had moved her body from the park using his car then surely there would be dna/blood/scent etc which there doesn't seem to be.
*if she was left in the park then surely they would find something by now. I doubt in them cold, icy conditions that the water wouldn't have taken her far.

How can someone be smarter than forensics and have gotten away with it in 2019 under the circumstances of which it seems to have happened (he took her at 12.09 and drove her to the park, potentially then drove home until work the next morning, hense the small search area).