Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #11 *ARREST*

[DanCJ]

With the news that Helen’s killer is due to be released (already on day release) soon, I couldn’t help but think of similarities. Mum 'shocked' to see killer out in public

Helen’s body has never been found and her mam is campaigning for Helen’s law (find it on change.org), that a killer should never be released unless they give up the location.

What if Libby is sadly never found ?
Helen’s killer was convicted due to her earring being found in his car.
Say LE have Libby’s hair/scent in the car and PR’s admittance that she was in the car, could this similarly be enough to get a conviction ?
Even if he says she left his car unharmed, surely the evidence alongside the fact that Libby has not been found would be enough to at least get a trial?

I’m not sure what Helen’s killer said regarding the earring but I can only assume he tried to give a plausible explanation for her being in his car too, of course you would, right ? So assuming LE has other further evidence (cctv, forensics ..), like Helen’s case, there may be hope of a conviction without a body ?

ETA: after further research into the case, Helen’s was blood found in the car and his home so assuming (maybe wrongly) that we don’t have this level of evidence (PR would be charged?) much harder to get a conviction.

I read this story recently too. Thank god for forensics finally making its appearance for a case like this. IS still maintains his innocence after all these years, claiming he had been set up. When you read the damning evidence they had against him, his version of events are absolute farcical... that ridiculous you wouldn't even bother trying to peddle it to anyone. I totally agree with Helen's Law too. I'd imagine he'd want to withhold Helens location too, either what he did was so heinous or that she isn't the only one there.

 

[Officer Dibble]

Well, that wouldn't cheer me up.

that was my first thought, too

 

[Officer Dibble]

I'd be interested to know how many of the victims of the crimes he's been charged with are members of the same gym.

GOOD POINT

 

[Winterbells]

Wow. The Humberside Police wiki page makes very interesting reading.

 

[DanCJ]

Wow. The Humberside Police wiki page makes very interesting reading.

Just read it there, the force certainly does have a troubled past. A police sergeant even ending up arresting his own boss. I must say since 2018 onwards with the new constable the Humberside Police Force seem to now have turned things around and be on the up. I'm not a local however so they may be able to shed better light of their current competency. I certainly believe in them to solve this case though.

 

[Strontium69]

A clumsy petty criminal who is being charged left right and centre has potentially murdered and disposed of a body in a highly populated, cctv riddled area and left no forensic evidence, let alone a body.
Where is she?!
@the poster above.. msm said she was last seen at 12.09 at that bench where a man walked up to a woman and put her in a car, rushed around to his side and drive off incredibly fast (also at 12.09). That must have been the last sighting of her.
My theory as I said a few posts back is that they tracked the car to the park and then back to his house. That is the only plausible explanation to me as to why the search area is so small.
I think she is probably in the water but I am pretty confident that the police don't think this as they havent spent a lot of time searching under water. Perhaps experts of water/tides/weather have said that if she was in the water then she would only be in a small area and if she wasn't there then its unlikely that she has travelled further (at the time of the search).
I wish they was searching more for her.

They have searched the water thoroughly.

The Pond

The Drain

A large stretch maybe, but the options are limited with the drain because of the inaccessible banks.

As for the river, at low tide, it almost disappears!

But the thing above all...

clumsy petty criminal who is being charged left right and centre has potentially murdered and disposed of a body in a highly populated, cctv riddled area and left no forensic evidence, let alone a body.
Where is she?!

 

[Newthoughts]

What are your thoughts on timeframe JosieJo ... did he make a call to LE soon after she went missing? Or days later when there were public appeals?

I’m thinking the opposite. I don’t think he said a word to anyone ... until LE came knocking.

My gut feeling is also that he didn't go to the police

 

[Newthoughts]

This was 9th February. They just appeared there but were gone around an hour and a half later.

Thanks for that. Very dark, very specific and short then.

 

[Newthoughts]

I'd be interested to know how many of the victims of the crimes he's been charged with are members of the same gym.

We had a local voyeurism case a few years ago after the local swimming pool changed the changing rooms from male / female to individual cubicles. The guy would take the cubicle next to a woman and put his phone on the floor. He then just watched them change in the reflection. Would that be possible in PRs gym.

If Libby also attended that gym it would have given him an opening conversational Gambit that night. I do not think Libby would have noticed him especially, but we can assume he'd have looked at the women there.

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

Just read it there, the force certainly does have a troubled past. A police sergeant even ending up arresting his own boss. I must say since 2018 onwards with the new constable the Humberside Police Force seem to now have turned things around and be on the up. I'm not a local however so they may be able to shed better light of their current competency. I certainly believe in them to solve this case though.

6 PCs suspended for breaching police code of conduct

Still having some issues, as does every force and every workplace I guess.

Got to support LE in cases like LS' though and hope any incompetence or errors are looked at formally, independently and openly at a suitable time.

 

[S_Holmes]

Hello everyone, been lurking since thread #2 and have been following the case since day one, thought I may as well chime in. It’s been a strange case- both circumstances and the investigation and LE have obviously been keeping things very close to their chests. But I think we can still read between the lines to deduce a few things.

1) Spidercam- 99.9% sure it’s PR and LS. As others have mentioned, ITV would not have aired it without LE’s approval (and editing suggests LE direction to ITV.) Also, LE say LS was near the bench until “around 12.09”- the car pulls away at 12.08.52.

2) Police response- the rapidity is striking. Possible that GB might have called 101 when he came across LS since she must have been in a bad way for him to notice and stop the car. The early LE statement says she was seen “near to” the bench, not on it. Perhaps she had fallen over, and GB stopped to help her onto the bench? But then that begs the question, if he did ring then why did LE appeal as they presumably had his details. Would explain the unusually fast response though.

3) Oak Road CCTV- I think this CCTV is more important than people might think. LE might be clutching at straws (hope not) but this is the ONLY footage they have released directly- everything else is withheld for “operational reasons” yet this was regarded as important enough to go public. What kind of ‘witnesses’ might these be? If they saw a crime taking place they would have reported it (anonymously if they were petty criminals) or come forward on day one; if they heard something- what did they hear? Screams have already been reported to LE, and they can almost certainly place PR in the park, so what other “crucial information” might these people have seen/heard?

4) LS location- highly doubt LS was ever in PR’s house as there would be some trace (might be relying too much on Locard’s exchange principle here) and that alone should be enough to charge him with kidnap. Can’t see any way he could excuse his way out of that. I think she WAS in the park (police focus suggests CCTV follows him there), and especially that bench which was investigated late at night. I would guess that PR must have told them about that since they responded immediately, and it was in the middle of his questioning. Unless he took her (alive) in his car somewhere else, I think the water is the most plausible scenario for where she ultimately ended up (but given the speed of the response and searches I would not have expected her to have gotten far.)

I’ll stop since I’ve already said more than I planned to. I know it’s re-treading old ground but there’s not much else to do atm. Hopefully there will be a breakthrough soon and we will be able to make more sense of this, and LS will be found.

 

[Smccat]

I’m still seeing boots with slim fitting bottoms. Can anyone else see this?

Hi everyone,
I’m quite new but have just been lurking
I find shorts an odd choice given the weather that night but I keep see 3/4 length leggings like women used to wear once over (not so much now). If a man opts for shorts (odd as it is on a freezing cold night)they are usually more baggy in style. Frustrating isn’t it.

 

[Myjamfactory]

The river Hull/Humber estuary have some of the fiecest currents and i know some have dismissed it but if she went in the water as the tide was going out there is a possibility she would be washed out to the humber/north sea.
So much more to say on this but for now i will leave it.

i believe that someone earlier checked the tides and it was in its way in - can’t remember who though

 

[Vermont24]

GOOD POINT

We had a local voyeurism case a few years ago after the local swimming pool changed the changing rooms from male / female to individual cubicles. The guy would take the cubicle next to a woman and put his phone on the floor. He then just watched them change in the reflection. Would that be possible in PRs gym.

If Libby also attended that gym it would have given him an opening conversational Gambit that night. I do not think Libby would have noticed him especially, but we can assume he'd have looked at the women there.

I'm just trying to imagine what sort of social life he had.

He's married with two kids at 24, which is young. He works long hours and has a commute of 1hr + each way. It may be that the gym, and time in his car, are the few occasions when he is alone. Like I've said before, gyms are quite unique in that you can build up recognition with someone without knowing them in any meaningful sense.

I'm not suggesting LS was a member of the gym (though it tends to be popular with students from second year onwards as most freshers use university facilities closer to their accommodation), but I wouldn't be surprised if some of the victims closer to his own home were known to him this way. I feel there's a strong possibility that his trespassing/burglaries aren't random, given what prizes he takes, and these may cross over significantly with those he may have stalked. Young girls in gym attire are sure to pique his particular interests.

We don't really know what PR's standard of English is like, and him opting for an interpreter at court, as others have suggested, is a matter of legal procedure and not necessarily indicative of a poor level of speaking and comprehension. Hull's Polish community is fairly large but, however, can be quite insular. Given all of this, coupled with a workplace that likely employs a lot of migrant workers, we may be looking at someone who has few ties beyond his immediate family.

 

[Audiohoney]

I'm just trying to imagine what sort of social life he had.

He's married with two kids at 24, which is young. He works long hours and has a commute of 1hr + each way. It may be that the gym, and time in his car, are the few occasions when he is alone. Like I've said before, gyms are quite unique in that you can build up recognition with someone without knowing them in any meaningful sense.

I'm not suggesting LS was a member of the gym (though it tends to be popular with students from second year onwards as most freshers use university facilities closer to their accommodation), but I wouldn't be surprised if some of the victims closer to his own home were known to him this way. I feel there's a strong possibility that his trespassing/burglaries aren't random, given what prizes he takes, and these may cross over significantly with those he may have stalked. Young girls in gym attire are sure to pique his particular interests.

We don't really know what PR's standard of English is like, and him opting for an interpreter at court, as others have suggested, is a matter of legal procedure and not necessarily indicative of a poor level of speaking and comprehension. Hull's Polish community is fairly large but, however, can be quite insular. Given all of this, coupled with a workplace that likely employs a lot of migrant workers, we may be looking at someone who has few ties beyond his immediate family.

Agreed. I can’t picture him being a particularly sociable chap. That said, all I could envisage at the start was LE having the wrong guy because the bloke I was reading about was a good boy from a poor family, a hardworking husband with two little ones and boyish looks to boot. Just goes to show. It was his sisters comments about him having given LS a lift that night that made my heart sink. Because aside from that I was convinced they’d got the wrong guy!

Your suggestions about the gym seem plausible. A good way to get to know local girls - if only from a distance (shudder). And a good excuse to leave the house outside of work hours. BUT for me the question isn’t so much did LS attend the gym - I think her mum said she was into fitness and it would make sense with the gym being close to her home. Did HE? Sure, we’ve seen the gym selfie and identified it as that gym, but from the way PRs been described as looking in court and from more recent photographs of him ... the guy I’m reading about sounds as though he’s let his fitness drop somewhat. I’m not sure how old the gym selfie is, but everything I’ve read about his current appearance suggests he looks very different? Would he still have been going to the gym do you think?

 

[Vermont24]

Hi everyone,
I’m quite new but have just been lurking
I find shorts an odd choice given the weather that night but I keep see 3/4 length leggings like women used to wear once over (not so much now). If a man opts for shorts (odd as it is on a freezing cold night)they are usually more baggy in style. Frustrating isn’t it.

Rather than shorts, I perhaps see aggressively tapered sweatpants , which are popular with people in their 20s, with contrasting colour blocking. Something like...

 

[Audiohoney]

Rather than shorts, I perhaps see aggressively tapered sweatpants , which are popular with people in their 20s, with contrasting colour blocking. Something like...

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I’ve never seen tapered joggers like these with contrasting colour blocks. But this most definitely could be what we’re seeing in that cctv.

 

[Smccat]

Rather than shorts, I perhaps see aggressively tapered sweatpants , which are popular with people in their 20s, with contrasting colour blocking. Something like...

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Yes likely these ... rather spookily I had an advert showing these to me for the last couple of weeks on here!

 

[Vermont24]

I’ve never seen tapered joggers like these with contrasting colour blocks. But this most definitely could be what we’re seeing in that cctv.

They're definitely more on the 'fashion' end than intended for sports, for sure.

 

[Smccat]

Agreed. I can’t picture him being a particularly sociable chap. That said, all I could envisage at the start was LE having the wrong guy because the bloke I was reading about was a good boy from a poor family, a hardworking husband with two little ones and boyish looks to boot. Just goes to show. It was his sisters comments about him having given LS a lift that night that made my heart sink. Because aside from that I was convinced they’d got the wrong guy!

Your suggestions about the gym seem plausible. A good way to get to know local girls - if only from a distance (shudder). And a good excuse to leave the house outside of work hours. BUT for me the question isn’t so much did LS attend the gym - I think her mum said she was into fitness and it would make sense with the gym being close to her home. Did HE? Sure, we’ve seen the gym selfie and identified it as that gym, but from the way PRs been described as looking in court and from more recent photographs of him ... the guy I’m reading about sounds as though he’s let his fitness drop somewhat. I’m not sure how old the gym selfie is, but everything I’ve read about his current appearance suggests he looks very different? Would he still have been going to the gym do you think?

I apologise for not knowing where exactly - either a news report on tv or in print somewhere- I read /heard LS reported as being a netball player. If so, this is definately another good opportunity for ‘gawking’ at women etc