Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #11 *ARREST*

[PaddyOreally?]

I'm of the (perhaps outdated) view that Avon is favoured by customers of a particular vintage.

Nah loads of young people love it! Loads of bloggers and vloggers promote it online all the time. It was a bit for older people but it's had a bit of a makeover over the last 5 years.

 

[Vermont24]

Nah loads of young people love it! Loads of bloggers and vloggers promote it online all the time. It was a bit for older people but it's had a bit of a makeover over the last 5 years.

Then consider me informed anew.

Even so, there will be aspects of his life which are just utterly banal.

 

[kate2931]

@DanCJ Completeky agree, he would not give up the location of Helen’s body if there are others to be found. I signed the Helen’s law petition a while back and it’s still a good way short of numbers ..
https://www.change.org/p/rt-hon-theresa-may-mp-introduce-helen-s-law

Lots of great posts since last night. I doubt PR was dead into his fitness, just a good guise to to watch the young ladies in the gym that was also a good cover to give his wife. He may have left the gym at the same time as unsuspecting victims, stalked them on the way home & later returned to flash/steal. I think he must need to have some prior ‘attraction’ to his victims and the gym would be a great way to decide this. Sickening.

I read back through the thread last night and about the unsubstantiated claims of scratches and pinging at Saint andrews quay (amongst others that apparently came from police whispers)I know they may likely have no validity at all, but now I’m swaying between the driving out to woodland theory and the possibility of staying local & water.

Also, a poster mentioned a few back about the bench in the park and forensics. I too agree that PR himself gave the police this tip during the questioning. That he admitted to picking Libby up with the intention of having (coerced/forced - but I’d imagine he said it was consensual) sex in oak road playing fields, said they got to this bench (hence the forensics). He said they argued and she ran off, he didn’t see her again. I think he tried to sell LE this as his phone pinged in the vicinity, therefore he’s covered himself by saying Libby left his car upset but unharmed. LE obviously went to the bench to co-oberate this. Maybe he parked up there for a brief amount of time to talk to her, reduce her fear, thought there was too much potential to be seen carrying out his assault & drove on to a quieter spot.

I’m still not sure Libby ever left his car conscious. Why would you risk your long desired, perverted chance to then take your victim back out of the confines of your ‘locked’ car into -5 snowy conditions in the openness of a park ? Given it was late, but you’d still risk bumping into someone in the middle of your act or who could potentially be nearby & stop it if your victim became distressed & also identify you? The confines of a car, with added threats/assault to render a victim unconscious on a quiet estate/lay by - surely makes more sense? My own opinion of course but the oak road playing fields are just a throw off. Do the units near croda have a quiet place he could park up ? Hence the asking of the 4 people to come forward ? Did you see his car/hear anything ? I know cctv will come up, surely they were seen etc etc but if the cctv was that good anywhere, surely he’d already be charged with her disappearance ?

I think Libby was only unconscious in his car and therefore no cadaver scent.

If the debate over the drains being too shallow and a body not moving far, would the quay have been a better prospect to him ? Is the quay somewhere you could throw someone over into the sea ? I’ve tried looking at pictures but can’t make it out, seems to be a retail unit but also seen pictures of a disused factory nearby ? I’m of the opinion PR had been planning something like this for a while, some pre-meditation must mean he’s gone through lots of scenarios once he had a female in his car & that his assault may result in death if she fought back or if that was indeed his actual intention. Therefore a ‘good dump site’ may always have been on his mind and that he was aware of the benefits of water against forensics & he was at an advantage living close to water in Hull.

Finding it increasingly difficult to talk about the theories in such cold, hard terms. Libby & her family are in my thoughts many, many times a day x

 

[HopeForGoodNews]

Not sure you could class the river hull as shallow unless you mean barmston drain which is

I've passed over the river Hull a few times in the last few weeks and have actually been really surprised at how low it was. It was almost as though there was no water at all.

 

[martenwearer]

I wonder if PR went to work on the Friday, Monday and Tuesday before he was arrested on the Wednesday?

 

[Myjamfactory]

We had a local voyeurism case a few years ago after the local swimming pool changed the changing rooms from male / female to individual cubicles. The guy would take the cubicle next to a woman and put his phone on the floor. He then just watched them change in the reflection. Would that be possible in PRs gym.

If Libby also attended that gym it would have given him an opening conversational Gambit that night. I do not think Libby would have noticed him especially, but we can assume he'd have looked at the women there.

The changing rooms are segregated at this gym

 

[motherofdaughters]

You can call something in on 101 or 999 and remain anon. Likely the police could trace you from the phone number if its a registered mobile phone but given the circumstances and everything they had to look at at the time IF gb had phoned in something anon would it not just be easier for them to ask him to come forward?
They could then also gauge his willingness to talk to them.

You can get your address very easily if you ring 999 from a landline. You can get it from a contract mobile phone but it takes some time and it’s not available if it’s a payg phone.
Always ring 999 from a landline if you nee to be found. Fast.

 

[motherofdaughters]

Then consider me informed anew.

Even so, there will be aspects of his life which are just utterly banal.

Maybe it varies, Avon is NOT a student desired product range here.
It’s all about the bodyshop and usually reps do most of their selling online now. She’d liekly have a ‘PR’s wife’s Avon page’ type thing on FB.
They don’t really hand out brochures so much, unless requested. I can’t see him going doing to door tbh, unless delivering an actual order. Which again is not really the done thing round here unless you’re passing.

 

[BrianJohnson]

I am not convinced that PR was breaking into student houses and stealing dildos, they are used by people who can’t get any action whereas uni is apparently one big knocking shop according to a couple of friends of mine who went to uni, plenty of action for any girl that wants it so i doubt that uni students would need to use dildos so I would imagine PR was robbing homes of an older demographic

 

[motherofdaughters]

I obviously don’t know this is her for sure, but it looks like she’s selling specifically to a Polish audience.

Eta- I’m not sure I’m allowed to post the SS I did sobhave delteted it, but there is an online FB Avon group of a familiar name and it doesn’t look like it’s give anyone access to students.

 

[Mommysleuth11]

St Andrews Quay runs along the side of the Humber estuary, at one time it was a fishing dock, its now a retail park. There is a small fence all the way along from memory and its about 25/30 miles up to the mouth of the estuary and North Sea.

 

[Atoz]

I am not convinced that PR was breaking into student houses and stealing dildos, they are used by people who can’t get any action whereas uni is apparently one big knocking shop according to a couple of friends of mine who went to uni, plenty of action for any girl that wants it so i doubt that uni students would need to use dildos so I would imagine PR was robbing homes of an older demographic

I don't think dildo ownership correlates to the availability of sexual relations.

 

[Newthoughts]

I just keep going over the obvious in my head hoping something will click.

We have Libby in PRs car at 12.09 on 1st Feb on Haworth street. LE then request info from 4 potential witnesses from Oak Road CCTV footage in the period 1.15 to 2.35. So assume LE have good reason to believe he's there during that time frame. Between an 1 and 2.5 hours after she is in his car.

My child lives very close to Haworth street but not the Beverley road end. By 6pm 1st Feb the police were interviewing them all to see had they heard anything (they hadn't). They did interview all her friends in the vicinity eventually but her house seemed early on after the Inglemire Court and obvious places. So in retrospect I wonder if they had that CCTV early on?

Nothing has clicked.

 

[BrianJohnson]

I don't think dildo ownership correlates to the availability of sexual relations.

I am not female so have no experience of dildos nor am i aware of any of my ex’s using them in our relationship so my opinion has always been, perhaps wrongly, that dildos are for females who aren’t getting the real thing but have their urges, I would have thought a female student could easily get the real thing hence why I ruled out PR breaking into student accomodation

 

[motherofdaughters]

I am not female so have no experience of dildos nor am i aware of any of my ex’s using them in our relationship so my opinion has always been, perhaps wrongly, that dildos are for females who aren’t getting the real thing but have their urges, I would have thought a female student could easily get the real thing hence why I ruled out PR breaking into student accomodation

There are a million reasons why women have sex toys. I’d not overthink this at all.

 

[Newthoughts]

I am not convinced that PR was breaking into student houses and stealing dildos, they are used by people who can’t get any action whereas uni is apparently one big knocking shop according to a couple of friends of mine who went to uni, plenty of action for any girl that wants it so i doubt that uni students would need to use dildos so I would imagine PR was robbing homes of an older demographic

Not a good assumption - students do have those items.

 

[Mommysleuth11]

Im not sure ALL his chosen victims were students. I think that has just got legs and run away with itself.

I have a feeling he liked to revisit certain places/people and wonder if that could explain lack of address details etc for the latest charges. I hope tomorrow will reveal a little more in terms of those.

 

[Newthoughts]

Im not sure ALL his chosen victims were students. I think that has just got legs and run away with itself.

I have a feeling he liked to revisit certain places/people and wonder if that could explain lack of address details etc for the latest charges. I hope tomorrow will reveal a little more in terms of those.

26th Dec charge probably not students they're all at home plus we've been told it's a nicer (residential rather than student) area. Likewise anything in the summer. At least one of the later charges definitely students. Wellesley road wank probably students.

I'd say young women. During term time student areas a good place to find them.

 

[cluciano63]

With the news that Helen’s killer is due to be released (already on day release) soon, I couldn’t help but think of similarities. Mum 'shocked' to see killer out in public

Helen’s body has never been found and her mam is campaigning for Helen’s law (find it on change.org), that a killer should never be released unless they give up the location.

What if Libby is sadly never found ?
Helen’s killer was convicted due to her earring being found in his car.
Say LE have Libby’s hair/scent in the car and PR’s admittance that she was in the car, could this similarly be enough to get a conviction ?
Even if he says she left his car unharmed, surely the evidence alongside the fact that Libby has not been found would be enough to at least get a trial?

I’m not sure what Helen’s killer said regarding the earring but I can only assume he tried to give a plausible explanation for her being in his car too, of course you would, right ? So assuming LE has other further evidence (cctv, forensics ..), like Helen’s case, there may be hope of a conviction without a body ?

ETA: after further research into the case, Helen’s was blood found in the car and his home so assuming (maybe wrongly) that we don’t have this level of evidence (PR would be charged?) much harder to get a conviction.

Omg it is insane that a convicted murderer can be released without telling where the body of his victim is. So the family continues to be punished while he goes free? I know US gets it wrong in a lot of ways but UK & Europe seem to be quite forgiving of murder...jmo

 

[JosieJo]

I would hope if PR had left the immediate area his car would be clocked by ANPR/CCTV i imagine the police think he didnt leave the area that night.

Totally agree the police will know where he went roughly