Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #12 *ARREST*

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There is also the alleged comment from his sister in the Telegraph about 'pushing her away'. Although you can't set much store by MSM if correct it is an odd statement.
I don't see anything odd about it. If someone comes on to you, or invades your personal space, you might push them away. Might be a gentle push, might not.

The gist was that he rejected her advances. There are lots of ways of expressing that, but bear in mind English is not the first language for these people.
 
  • #102
Would drunk stumbling cause cuts and grazes?

There is also the alleged comment from his sister in the Telegraph about 'pushing her away'. Although you can't set much store by MSM if correct it might explain blood?
Ah, you've edited the post I already replied to. So I will respond again.

No, "stumbling" wouldn't be likely to cause injury, unless you come into contact with a rough surface.
However I thought the witness said that she fell - in which case there would be contact with the ground.
"Pushing someone away" is unlikely to draw blood unless it caused the person to come into contact with a rough surface.
 
  • #103
LE did spend a long time searching his house. Took in tools at one point which was alarming. Part of that could be finding evidence for his other crimes tho.

As regards his family being there - MSM reports suggest she was in the UK (staying with friend while house searched, mum getting updated by text from UK). LE taking baby equipment and toys from the house also suggest she was in the country at that point.

A post on the last thread however, from someone whose child lived across the road, thought they hadn't seen her at the home for a period before Libby went missing.

Days before Libby disappeared he'd stolen things you'd be a bit shocked to find.

If she was the UK but not in the home would that suggest a rift? Or simply she was visiting friends that weren't in the area? Either way if she wasn't in the house it would make sense to take Libby there.

They were looking in his gutters at one point. Not sure what for.
If your wife was away and your were a reckless perv like PR seems you very well might take Libby home , your not actually doing anything legally wrong. Anythings possible from the simplest of explanations that he picked her up on Haworth drove somewhere near the park and subsequent events resulted in Libby disappearing soon after , to a manner of more convoluted scenarios like he picked Libby up took her home , rung some freinds , went to the park and hung out waiting for Libbys mates to be due back home and walked off somewhere as shown in the oak road footpath cctv and where they went or what happened afterwards is a mystery.
We have no idea. The police will obviously have more definite info like theyl know for sure if PR's wife was at home or away but my guess is they are sure hes guilty but just cant prove it. And without a body they are totally handicapped , afaiaa it isnt even officially a murder investigation.
 
  • #104
The full statement says last known sighting was around Howarth Street/Beverley road just after midnight so it contradicts itself a little.

Yes I am aware of that, but I was quoting the CIO's statement. I think the rest of the write up could have been from the Press Office? The PO may often requote what has been issued to the press - a general, early statement given - whereas the CIO is stressing the importance of these 4 possible witnesses at this time in this area (I am grasping at straws probably).

OIMO, but perhaps they have traced everyone seen on CCTV between Beverley/Haworth and this Oak Road area up to two and a half hours later who may have witnessed something of value. These 4 are of importance for a reason and I am hoping beyond hope that Libby herself was spotted by someone around here. I realise I may be trying to read too much between the lines it is jmo.
 
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I don't see anything odd about it. If someone comes on to you, or invades your personal space, you might push them away. Might be a gentle push, might not.

The gist was that he rejected her advances. There are lots of ways of expressing that, but bear in mind English is not the first language for these people.
I suspect it was said through an interpreter. I don't mean the comment was odd. It is the fact she said it that was odd.

It's highly, highly unlikely it happened. So I was thinking of it as his possible excuse for blood in his car. He would not necessarily have known Libby had stumbled or fallen. If indeed she did fall over.
 
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Yes I am aware of that, but I was quoting the CIO's statement. I think the rest of the write up could have been from the Press Office? The PO may often requote what has been issued to the press - a general, early statement given - whereas the CIO is stressing the importance of these 4 possible witnesses at this time in this area (I am grasping at straws probably).

OIMO, but perhaps they have traced everyone seen on CCTV between Beverley/Haworth and this Oak Road area up to two and a half hours later who may have witnessed something of value. These 4 are of importance for a reason and I am hoping beyond hope that Libby herself was spotted by someone around here. I realise I may be trying to read too much between the lines it is jmo.

I don't disagree with you Jessie.

Was just pointing out the statement contradicts itself.

Maybe the SIO comment about her last sighting is correct.
 
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So what do we think about the fact the four Oak Road witnesses still haven't come forward? Are there any possibilities beyond -

(a) they haven't seen the footage
(b) they were involved in some unrelated but illegal activity so keeping schtum
(c) they don't want to deal with police for some other reason
(d) they were involved with Libby's disappearance?

The walking pair have a very relaxed gait; they don't seem they have just committed a crime. Running man however does seem suspicious and might be linked with the cyclist in terms of one having witnessed the actions of the other.

He's seen at 1.13am just as Libby's reported missing on social media, emerging from the path at a hell of a lick for a jogger on an icy surface; he's on edge as he either reacts to something or glances over his shoulder to check something.

The visuals of running guy and the son's 12.15 witness statement are very similar: "The man he saw wasn't dressed for a night out. He wasn't dressed for the weather. He saw him running for around 40 yards, sprinting at times. He said he was on his own and he wasn’t looking back."

Because of the similarity, I'm going to assume this is the same slightly unfit running guy, and that our witness wasn't confused re time. What scenario could account for running guy being seen near the park at 12.15 after high-pitched screams from the pond area are heard; then again an hour on, still edgy and hunted-looking, still running, emerging from Oak Rd?

If I was spooked by overhearing screams from a park at 12.15, I wouldn't go back alone an hour later. But if I had just silenced someone, and was worried others had heard their screams, I might try to put a bit of distance between me and the scene. Once I calmed down, I'd return to clear up the scene; when I left for the second time, I would be extremely on edge; the rustle of anything, such as hearing a cyclist looping around the park, would give me a fright.

Any takers for the Double-Running Man theory? (Or maybe it was a glitch in the Matrix.)
 
  • #108
This below is taken from the Police Press Statement. From this does it sound that Libby was later seen and identified in this area? It is not 'close' to Beverley/Haworth is it and there is the time difference as well?

Libby Squire: New video released | Humberside Police

“Last month we released CCTV footage showing four people on Oak Road in Hull close to the junction with Clough Road around the time that Libby was last seen.

“I am releasing this footage again as these people have yet to come forward. We want to speak with them as they may be possible witnesses and might hold important information.
That footage is between 1.12 and 2.35 isn't it. My initial reading is the same as yours. Around the time of that footage rather than the earlier 12.09.

I guess it must refer to the 12.09 sighting as others have suggested but it is a bit imprecise.
 
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Ah, you've edited the post I already replied to. So I will respond again.

No, "stumbling" wouldn't be likely to cause injury, unless you come into contact with a rough surface.
However I thought the witness said that she fell - in which case there would be contact with the ground.
"Pushing someone away" is unlikely to draw blood unless it caused the person to come into contact with a rough surface.

Missing Libby Squire: Neighbours saw student 'falling over drunk ...

https://www.mirror.co.uk › News › UK News › Missing persons
 
  • #111
So what do we think about the fact the four Oak Road witnesses still haven't come forward? Are there any possibilities beyond -

(a) they haven't seen the footage
(b) they were involved in some unrelated but illegal activity so keeping schtum
(c) they don't want to deal with police for some other reason
(d) they were involved with Libby's disappearance?

The walking pair have a very relaxed gait; they don't seem they have just committed a crime. Running man however does seem suspicious and might be linked with the cyclist in terms of one having witnessed the actions of the other.

He's seen at 1.13am just as Libby's reported missing on social media, emerging from the path at a hell of a lick for a jogger on an icy surface; he's on edge as he either reacts to something or glances over his shoulder to check something.

The visuals of running guy and the son's 12.15 witness statement are very similar: "The man he saw wasn't dressed for a night out. He wasn't dressed for the weather. He saw him running for around 40 yards, sprinting at times. He said he was on his own and he wasn’t looking back."

Because of the similarity, I'm going to assume this is the same slightly unfit running guy, and that our witness wasn't confused re time. What scenario could account for running guy being seen near the park at 12.15 after high-pitched screams from the pond area are heard; then again an hour on, still edgy and hunted-looking, still running, emerging from Oak Rd?

If I was spooked by overhearing screams from a park at 12.15, I wouldn't go back alone an hour later. But if I had just silenced someone, and was worried others had heard their screams, I might try to put a bit of distance between me and the scene. Once I calmed down, I'd return to clear up the scene; when I left for the second time, I would be extremely on edge; the rustle of anything, such as hearing a cyclist looping around the park, would give me a fright.

Any takers for the Double-Running Man theory? (Or maybe it was a glitch in the Matrix.)

As for running man - if something truly had startled him, the subtext here being a scream or something potentially malevolent, he'd have kept running. There's a police station around the corner. As it is, he stops almost exactly as he reaches the 'civilisation' of Croda. I truly believe he's just ran along Oak Road because it's the middle of the night, it's creepy, and it's the most rational thing to do. That would get most people's adrenaline going, and accounts for the glance back as far as I'm concerned.
 
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As for running man - if something truly had startled him, the subtext here being a scream or something potentially malevolent, he'd have kept running. There's a police station around the corner. As it is, he stops almost exactly as he reaches the 'civilisation' of Croda. I truly believe he's just ran along Oak Road because it's the middle of the night, it's creepy, and it's the most rational thing to do. That would get most people's adrenaline going, and accounts for the glance back as far as I'm concerned.
Please watch the video again and watch when running man comes out. Look up to the right of the screen and you can see flashing blue lights police ? Did it scare him off ?
Missing Libby Squire: Police release new CCTV footage of ... - ITV.com

https://www.itv.com/.../missing-libby-squire-police-release-new-cctv-footage-of-poten...
 
  • #114
Why did he not ask her if she was okay and need of help. ?
Apparently did and LS was reported to have walked away mumbling incoherently
 
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Apparently did and LS was reported to have walked away mumbling incoherently
Oh okay it does not mention this in the article. Can i ask where you got this information ?
 
  • #117
Any takers for the Double-Running Man theory? (Or maybe it was a glitch in the Matrix.)

I'm also interested in the double running man theory. For a witness to spot a running man emerging from the park and for there to be cctv of a running man emerging from the park (albeit an hour later and one who does look back) seems more than a coincidence to me.
 
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I'm also interested in the double running man theory. For a witness to spot a running man emerging from the park and for there to be cctv of a running man emerging from the park (albeit an hour later and one who does look back) seems more than a coincidence to me.
Am not sure but was the first report of running from the park meant to mean running from park into Beresford? Whereas the cctv is running from park at the opposite end? Still an odd coincidence
 
  • #120
Just be mindful of where the 'man running from the park' was reported.
 
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