Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #14 *ARREST*

[Cherwell]

Could have realised she had no keys in the taxi perhaps? If they paid her fare she wouldn't have had cash to go back.

No, I can't see that as a major problem. We're only talking a five-minute drive down the road, easily affordable for her friends to cover once she got back to the club and explained her difficulty. We know that the taxi driver was willing to help her.

The main factor, as you said: "She was very drunk. I believe you have to be very, very drunk to be refused admittance."

 

[Newthoughts]

I think it was just a chance find tbh, looking for cash or other easily shiftable goods.

I don't think so given the other charges. You have to look for sex toys and pants. You have to remove photos. Most burglars would look for bank statements and passports for identity theft not dildos. No real huge financial gain in his petty thieving.

Has it been stated if the sext toys were new or used? If they were new, he might be giving them to his wife? I can't see there being a huge underground movement for sex toys but I guess you never know.
@Oulton mentioning the Ann Summers made me wonder if he just happened upon a sales persons house and took a selection rather than it being used items, including the underwear.
Photo's I'm stumped at. PRivate photos? What else could photos be?

I think he'd prefer used items not new ones. Likewise pants. And private photos?

If his previous crimes are voyeurism I think he's been looking and spying.

 

[yakus1964]

I understand it could be taken wrongly so best be clear.I'm new to posting on forums in general .I wasso saddened by Libbys disapoerance and found Websleuths by chance.I have great sympathy for everyone in Libbys family her friends all who knew her.Its beyond terrible what happened to a loveyy young girl her prime if life so much ahead hopes dreams . Reading all the posts has been so interesting and heartwarming.

I’m in the same boat.

I only joined WebSleuths because the case of Libby struck a chord with me.

I want to see her and her family get justice and I want to see her remembered for the life she led, not the way she passed.

See my post above regarding starting a charity in her name.

 

[Miss_French]

She was very drunk. I believe you have to be very, very drunk to be refused admittance.

Could have realised she had no keys in the taxi perhaps? If they paid her fare she wouldn't have had cash to go back.

She could have decided to make her way to the uni? She'd have friends there who could phone her friends And(they said she always would do that)

And that, sadly, would probably bring her to and possibly down, Haworth road at some point.

Maybe a local can help: people talk about going down Haworth to the uni campus; is there some cut-through off this street? Looking at a map, there seem to be other routes like via Inglemire Lane or Cottingham Rd, depending where Libby exited Wellesley Ave, than taking a dog-leg off a main road, and the latter seemingly as broad as it's long.

 

[ilovechili]

The drone footage makes me think he put Libby into the river closer to the Humber than the park. I can't discount the idea of an accomplice. Nor can I discount the idea that the accomplice could be in the Croda / Oak Road cctv. Those are just my opinions though.

The drone footage is really something--it makes it difficult for me to believe she traveled that far. I am no expert though and I do notice there do not seem to be logs jammed and various things snagged, none at all that I noticed, in the drone footage as I would see in my area on a river that size, so perhaps a body could travel that far over time... In looking also at the very low level in one picture during low tide though, it is also difficult to believe. I do, however, get that what makes the most sense is near where she disappeared from, etc. and that they must have reasons for looking in the areas they have... And again I am no expert.

jmo as well.

 

[Newthoughts]

There was a quantity of sierra leone currency taken in one burglary. I also know at least 3 seperate incidents he has been linked to, though not necessarily charged with, were English girls (not students).

I know one he's been linked to is students

 

[Cherwell]

I don't think so given the other charges. You have to look for sex toys and pants. You have to remove photos. Most burglars would look for bank statements and passports for identity theft not dildos. No real huge financial gain in his petty thieving.

Sex toys and underwear will be in drawers in the bedroom. You would not have to spend long searching - if there are any to be found, that's where they'll be.

I think sex toys are a lot more commonly owned than some of you seem to think. Internet shopping and high street stores have made them easily available without embarrassment.

And just to add - they aren't all only for women! There are, er, accessories designed to give chaps a buzz too, and enhance mutual pleasure!

 

[Zazie]

Multiquote reply incoming!

Also the presence of the bike rider.I 'm not thinking accomplice just perhaps PR met with them for some possible dealing ie stolen goods.

It's possible, but given the cyclist approaches from the right of the screen and cycles straight past PR's car and out the left of the screen, I don't see any reason to believe they are connected. They seem oblivious to each other. Unlike the departing car, of which PR does seem aware, and is possibly avoiding.

I can’t see any reason why she would need a taxi? Her house was nearby and her friends at this point were all starting to go home, so a bit late to decide to try and get back into the club.

She'd been turned away from the Welly just an hour before she got into PR's car - her pals' night was just starting. In those temperatures, it seems plausible she may have been trying to return for her keys but struggling to go there on foot?

His wife sold Avon. Could she have also sold Ann Summers products? Easy access for him to find out who bought this type of stuff.

Interesting theory! I wonder (stereotype alert, apologies in advance!) whether a respectable Polish Catholic mother would want to be publicly associated with Ann Summers though? And whether a macho Polish bloke might not like the implication that he's not able to 'satisfy' his wife? However appreciate the pious stereotype probably doesn't apply to a younger generation of Poles living in the UK. A simpler explanation could be that a lot of women have sex toys, and most will tend to keep them within reach of the bed?

I tend to sit in the front when alone too. I get travel sick though so I'm first to hop in the front even if I'm with friends or family.

Lastly, and totally off topic @motherofdaughters, can I recommend Stugeron? Transformed my travelling after decades of throwing up over coaches, buses and cars!) Stugeron - 15 Tablets - Boots

 

[Mommysleuth11]

Maybe a local can help: people talk about going down Haworth to the uni campus; is there some cut-through off this street? Looking at a map, there seem to be other routes like via Inglemire Lane or Cottingham Rd, depending where Libby exited Wellesley Ave, than taking a dog-leg off a main road, and the latter seemingly as broad as it's long.

It would be possible either way, although inglemire lane is residential, its pretty dark and quiet at night times from what i remember especially towards Bev Rd end, although Haworth St isnt much better in that respect.
As a local woman thinking logically i would personally walk on the main roads ie Bev Rd, Cott Rd at that time of night. That said given that we know she was very drunk her logical thinking may not have been at its best that night. Thus its near impossible to try to decipher what her thoughts or intentions may have been.

 

[HopeForGoodNews]

No, I can't see that as a major problem. We're only talking a five-minute drive down the road, easily affordable for her friends to cover once she got back to the club and explained her difficulty. We know that the taxi driver was willing to help her.

The main factor, as you said: "She was very drunk. I believe you have to be very, very drunk to be refused admittance."

I think it was discussed very early on if Libby was on prescription medication but not confirmed. She could have been taking some over the counter medication for a cold etc which interacted with the alcohol which made her seem more drunk than usual or had her drink spiked which doesn't bear thinking about.

 

[Skigh]

There was a quantity of sierra leone currency taken in one burglary. I also know at least 3 seperate incidents he has been linked to, though not necessarily charged with, were English girls (not students).

I would imagine there were many incidents that were not reported or through lack of DNA evidence he can not be changed with.

The charge from Ventnor street in Jan 19 states he took a quantity of sex toys,condoms knickers and photos.
I do not think the knickers would be comfy ,cotton M&S or the photos of someone's pet cat.
but it does seem to me that given the type and number of things taken they could belong to someone selling these things or involved in the sex industry.

 

[Newthoughts]

Sex toys and underwear will be in drawers in the bedroom. You would not have to spend long searching - if there are any to be found, that's where they'll be.

I think sex toys are a lot more commonly owned than some of you seem to think. Internet shopping and high street stores have made them easily available without embarrassment.

If he were only charged with theft I'd agree. If he'd ever stolen bank cards or other things you'd look for I'd agree.

But he's also been charged with voyeurism. Getting lucky with sex toys means you have to break into a house with women to get the thrill we assume he wanted.

I think the houses were targeted because he knew he'd find what he wanted.

 

[Winterbells]

Regards the "trespassing" as a lot of the addresses were local could he be the type who had socialised with locals / students in the area ...could the stolen undies / vibrators / photos etc have been a case of being at a house party or at friends and had gone through their knickers drawers ?

@JosieJo I'm thinking the same thing. I was a student at York university 100 years ago and we'd have house parties where a whole crowd of students would arrive at the same time and others would let them in, or the door would be already open. Sometimes young 'townies' (the rather condescending term we students used amongst ourselves for local non students) would get whiff of a party by noticing groups of students carrying clinking bottles and casually follow them to the location. Once these uninvited guests were in, it was hard to ask them to leave and often they were perfectly nice people anyway and it was regarded as 'cool' to make friends and socialise with the locals. On one occasion, however, one such guy went into the bedroom where all the coats had been thrown and went through the pockets and stole people's purses, then left (after snogging one of my friends, lol).

I won't bore you with the rest of the story, but my point is, I can't help but wonder if this young man (PR) might have used a similar sort of method to access the stuff he stole (wasn't there some foreign currency, for example? i.e. an overseas student's money). The electronic equipment, money, underwear, sex toys etc. all sound to me like he could have nabbed from within student properties during a house party, ditto filming 'private acts'.

 

[EricaAmbrose1]

Sex toys and underwear will be in drawers in the bedroom. You would not have to spend long searching - if there are any to be found, that's where they'll be.

I think sex toys are a lot more commonly owned than some of you seem to think. Internet shopping and high street stores have made them easily available without embarrassment.

Spot on about finding all such items in a bedroom drawer perhaps from then on its easy target the same places in other houses when trespassing and true the availability to buy such items online and high street shops.

 

[Vermont24]

Maybe a local can help: people talk about going down Haworth to the uni campus; is there some cut-through off this street? Looking at a map, there seem to be other routes like via Inglemire Lane or Cottingham Rd, depending where Libby exited Wellesley Ave, than taking a dog-leg off a main road, and the latter seemingly as broad as it's long.

It would be possible either way, although inglemire lane is residential, its pretty dark and quiet at night times from what i remember especially towards Bev Rd end, although Haworth St isnt much better in that respect.
As a local woman thinking logically i would personally walk on the main roads ie Bev Rd, Cott Rd at that time of night. That said given that we know she was very drunk her logical thinking may not have been at its best that night. Thus its near impossible to try to decipher what her thoughts or intentions may have been.

[Local and former Uni student/employee here] Her accommodation was at number 32, which is closest to Beresford. There is a route to the back of campus via Inglemire, but not many students use it - possibly because it doesn't take you past shops, banks, pubs etc. I suspect her usual route was via Beresford, then either cutting through Haworth St onto Cottingham Rd, or turning right at the junction by the Haworth Arms. There's plenty of foot traffic on both routes throughout the day.

I generally use Haworth St when coming from the Newland area and visiting a friend on Beresford.

 

[Miss_French]

It would be possible either way, although inglemire lane is residential, its pretty dark and quiet at night times from what i remember especially towards Bev Rd end, although Haworth St isnt much better in that respect.
As a local woman thinking logically i would personally walk on the main roads ie Bev Rd, Cott Rd at that time of night. That said given that we know she was very drunk her logical thinking may not have been at its best that night. Thus its near impossible to try to decipher what her thoughts or intentions may have been.

Thanks! And @Vermont24. I was just trying to get a feel for the area and, having dealt with a drunk friend all too often, I know logic goes out the window.

 

[Mommysleuth11]

I would imagine there were many incidents that were not reported or through lack of DNA evidence he can not be changed with.

The charge from Ventnor street in Jan 19 states he took a quantity of sex toys,condoms knickers and photos.
I do not think the knickers would be comfy ,cotton M&S or the photos of someone's pet cat.
but it does seem to me that it could belong to someone selling these things or involved in the sex industry.

Im not really sure why you would think this. Im an almost 40, married woman i dont sell sex toys nor have any links to the sex industry, PR would probably think he had hit the jackpot with my top drawer.
Its pretty commonplace for women to own toys and lingerie even if they dont necessarily use them often, most of us have 1 or some.

 

[Cherwell]

I think it was discussed very early on if Libby was on prescription medication but not confirmed. She could have been taking some over the counter medication for a cold etc which interacted with the alcohol which made her seem more drunk than usual or had her drink spiked which doesn't bear thinking about.

Yes, I speculated that she might have had some medication that clashed with alcohol.
But it's the level of her confusion that matters, not the cause of it. How aware she was, and how clearly she was able to think.

 

[EricaAmbrose1]

Multiquote reply incoming!



It's possible, but given the cyclist approaches from the right of the screen and cycles straight past PR's car and out the left of the screen, I don't see any reason to believe they are connected. They seem oblivious to each other. Unlike the departing car, of which PR does seem aware, and is possibly avoiding.



She'd been turned away from the Welly just an hour before she got into PR's car - her pals' night was just starting. In those temperatures, it seems plausible she may have been trying to return for her keys but struggling to go there on foot?



Interesting theory! I wonder (stereotype alert, apologies in advance!) whether a respectable Polish Catholic mother would want to be publicly associated with Ann Summers though? And whether a macho Polish bloke might not like the implication that he's not able to 'satisfy' his wife? However appreciate the pious stereotype probably doesn't apply to a younger generation of Poles living in the UK. A simpler explanation could be that a lot of women have sex toys, and most will tend to keep them within reach of the bed?



Lastly, and totally off topic @motherofdaughters, can I recommend Stugeron? Transformed my travelling after decades of throwing up over coaches, buses and cars!) Stugeron - 15 Tablets - Boots

 

[Newthoughts]

I would imagine there were many incidents that were not reported or through lack of DNA evidence he can not be changed with.

The charge from Ventnor street in Jan 19 states he took a quantity of sex toys,condoms knickers and photos.
I do not think the knickers would be comfy ,cotton M&S or the photos of someone's pet cat.
but it does seem to me that given the type and number of things taken they could belong to someone selling these things or involved in the sex industry.

No don't think sex industry or selling at all.