Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #14 *ARREST*

[Newthoughts]

It would be possible either way, although inglemire lane is residential, its pretty dark and quiet at night times from what i remember especially towards Bev Rd end, although Haworth St isnt much better in that respect.
As a local woman thinking logically i would personally walk on the main roads ie Bev Rd, Cott Rd at that time of night. That said given that we know she was very drunk her logical thinking may not have been at its best that night. Thus its near impossible to try to decipher what her thoughts or intentions may have been.

I had thought she'd gone to where she was in case a bus came back from the Welly and friends would get off.

I now wonder if heading to the uni was her aim? She'd no doubt have friends on campus who could let her use their phones to call her friends. She'll have walked from home to uni and back every day. She'd use short cuts I guess.

Haworth seems logical route to me. Not at night but she was drunk and possibly hypothermic. It would bring her right past PR.

The more I look at the map the more I think he parked there to watch / look out for / attempt to get students.

 

[JosieJo]

Possibly. But, if that was the case would anyone bother to report it? My guess is that it was more than that, there had to be an element more sinister than that scenario to warrant a report of burglary. What do you think? I’m not sure I’d bother calling the police in the former situation, you’d have to be a bit more frightened about it.

I agree .. though it might have been that they found the items during the search ..or people came forward after his arrest

 

[JosieJo]

Don't think so. No real point of commonality. No real meeting place. Students tend to be quite insular and mix with other students.

Some of us here have children at the uni and they'd have said something .

Sorry I should have been clearer ..it could be any socialising not neccessarily students ..any type of party or any gathering or even a visit

It just sounds more likely that knickers toys and photos etc could be from going through knickers drawers rather than targeting houses as such

 

[Winterbells]

I think because it was reported as "she got out and was walking down the street" it's assumed Libby didn't approach the house and immediately set off in another direction.

I could be wrong, but I thought the expression used by the students who saw her was something like ‘walking away from her house’.

 

[gravyh]

[ @gravyh remember to correctly cite your sources in that dissertation. Harvard referencing, naturally ]

I have nightmares about Harvard referencing!

 

[motherofdaughters]

Her inebriated state shouldn’t be a discussion. She should have been safe to get drunk and still get home.

 

[Newthoughts]

I agree .. though it might have been that they found the items during the search ..or people came forward after his arrest

I think the things he specifically stole would frighten most people. There is an implicit threat and creepiness. When somebody has nicked your car or laptop you can see what the reward is - cash, goods. But the reward from stealing pants and sex toys and photos and even condoms (free on the NHS) is far more threatening.

But I could see people being too embarrassed to report some items

 

[Cherwell]

I could be wrong, but I thought the expression used by the students who saw her was something like ‘walking away from her house’.

Yes, it's here
Missing student Libby Squire was last seen 'falling over drunk'
Tom Tulley, 20, who lives opposite, watched her “stumbling” and falling on Thursday night.
He said: “She was too drunk to be on her own. The taxi dropped her by a red car. She was walking away from her house, which is weird. She fell over a couple of times.”
Housemate Leon Caplin, 20, added: “She was struggling to walk, she was wobbling and could not walk in a straight line.”

 

[Newthoughts]

Sorry I should have been clearer ..it could be any socialising not neccessarily students ..any type of party or any gathering or even a visit

It just sounds more likely that knickers toys and photos etc could be from going through knickers drawers rather than targeting houses as such

Not in at least one case.

 

[Cherwell]

Her inebriated state shouldn’t be a discussion. She should have been safe to get drunk and still get home.

It matters because it means she won't have been thinking clearly. People are trying to interpret her movements and decisions logically, but her state is a factor in that. We can't be sure that she even knew where she was.

I also feel that these things should be discussed. It would be lovely if the world was all rainbows and kittens, but it's not, there are dangers out there, both human and natural, and it won't change, so there's nothing to be gained by wishing it were otherwise.

 

[motherofdaughters]

He said: “She was too drunk to be on her own. The taxi dropped her by a red car. She was walking away from her house, which is weird. She fell over a couple of times.”
Housemate Leon Caplin, 20, added: “She was struggling to walk, she was wobbling and could not walk in a straight line.”

I know she was likely trying to act more sober to get in the Welly but she didn’t present like this in the CCTV footage.
I know it was 10 minutes later but would she really have deteriorated that much?

 

[motherofdaughters]

It matters because it means she won't have been thinking clearly. People are trying to interpret her movements and decisions logically, but her state is a factor in that. We can't be sure that she even knew where she was.

Yes, sorry. I do understand that.
I’m just angry for her and her family/friends that she wasn’t able to be safe despite her ‘state’ That someone took advantage of a person who was vulnerable.

 

[Cherwell]

Yes, sorry. I do understand that.
I’m just angry for her and her family/friends that she wasn’t able to be safe despite her ‘state’ That someone took advantage of a person who was vulnerable.

Yes, it's horrible, but at the same time look at all the people (many of them young men) who die by accidentally falling into water while drunk.

 

[motherofdaughters]

Yes, it's horrible, but at the same time look at all the people (many of them young men) who die by accidentally falling into water while drunk.

Why are Uni’s built by rivers and lakes?!

 

[Newthoughts]

It matters because it means she won't have been thinking clearly. People are trying to interpret her movements and decisions logically, but her state is a factor in that. We can't be sure that she even knew where she was.

Her state might be a factor in her believing PR or falling over. But I think what a lot of us are struggling with is why people keep trying to find pathological reasons why she was drunk.

Students, non students, lots of folk of different ages go out to enjoy themselves and occasionally drink too much. It happens, try a&e on a Friday night.

They were going to a club for a student night and decided it was cheaper to drink beforehand. Loads of students do it. It's not a sign of anything.

She should have been safe from PR. It's his behavior we should be pathologising not Libbys. She hasn't done anything wrong.

 

[Newthoughts]

I could be wrong, but I thought the expression used by the students who saw her was something like ‘walking away from her house’.

I forgot to take my key when I went running. I was trying to find it as I got to the house and it wasn't there. I had no phone and no money because I'd been running. Anyone who'd seen me would have said they'd seen me walking away from my house. In my case to safely sit in a bus shelter in the rain.

Libby hasn't really done anything odd. I suspect she walked towards a more well lit area. Possibly where she might meet friends of a bus .Possibly to head to campus. At 21, drunk and keyless I'm pretty sure I'd have done the same.

 

[Newthoughts]

Yes, it's horrible, but at the same time look at all the people (many of them young men) who die by accidentally falling into water while drunk.

But Libby didn't fall into water. When last seen she was nowhere near water.

 

[Newthoughts]

Yes, sorry. I do understand that.
I’m just angry for her and her family/friends that she wasn’t able to be safe despite her ‘state’ That someone took advantage of a person who was vulnerable.

I'm with you. It's people preying on vulnerable young (and not so young people) that are the problem! It's their behavior we need to understand and deal with.

 

[Cherwell]

But Libby didn't fall into water. When last seen she was nowhere near water.

Obviously I was not referring to Libby. My point is that drunken people can easily come to harm without any human agency being to blame.

 

[Newthoughts]

Obviously I was not referring to Libby. My point is that drunken people can easily come to harm without any human agency being to blame.

They can but that's not relevant in this case.

In this case harm was caused to Libby by somebody. IMO what happened to Libby was going to happen to some young woman very soon regardless of whether they'd been drinking or not.

It's PRs behaviour that should be of of interest in this case because looking at what else he's done I don't think this was a random opportunity.