Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #14 *ARREST*

[HopeForGoodNews]

The thing I find baffling is how did he target the houses to burglar sex toys?

How would you even begin find how that sort of information?

Just another theory which had not entered my head. His wife sold Avon. Could she have also sold Ann Summers products? Easy access for him to find out who bought this type of stuff.

 

[motherofdaughters]

Has it been stated if the sext toys were new or used? If they were new, he might be giving them to his wife? I can't see there being a huge underground movement for sex toys but I guess you never know.
@Oulton mentioning the Ann Summers made me wonder if he just happened upon a sales persons house and took a selection rather than it being used items, including the underwear.
Photo's I'm stumped at. PRivate photos? What else could photos be?

 

[HopeForGoodNews]

Anne Summers parties?

You just beat me to it lol

 

[Skigh]

Regards the "trespassing" as a lot of the addresses were local could he be the type who had socialised with locals / students in the area ...could the stolen undies / vibrators / photos etc have been a case of being at a house party or at friends and had gone through their knickers drawers ?

I can not see PR socialising with any student.
Have we been given the nationality of any of his victims of burglary? If they were near to him could some of them be Polish?

 

[EricaAmbrose1]

You don't have to use them all! I find too many abbreviations confusing, as people also often use initials for people involved in the case.

I understand it could be taken wrongly so best be clear.I'm new to posting on forums in general .I wasso saddened by Libbys disapoerance and found Websleuths by chance.I have great sympathy for everyone in Libbys family her friends all who knew her.Its beyond terrible what happened to a loveyy young girl her prime if life so much ahead hopes dreams . Reading all the posts has been so interesting and heartwarming.

 

[TheCasual]

Ann Summers is a good shout.

Maybe he was a member of someone's Ann Summers page. So had a rough idea who where buying sex toys.

 

[Oulton]

I can not see PR socialising with any student.
Have we been given the nationality of any of his victims of burglary? If they were near to him could some of them be Polish?

Could be his work mates’ houses or friends. Or not. Any way of finding out?

 

[Oulton]

Has it been stated if the sext toys were new or used? If they were new, he might be giving them to his wife? I can't see there being a huge underground movement for sex toys but I guess you never know.
@Oulton mentioning the Ann Summers made me wonder if he just happened upon a sales persons house and took a selection rather than it being used items, including the underwear.
Photo's I'm stumped at. PRivate photos? What else could photos be?

Did it say of ‘unknown value’ in the charge? Sure it did. Does this suggest used? If brand new, they would know the value?

I really must get on with some house work I have been glued to WS all morning. Haha

 

[gravyh]

Ann Summers is a good shout.

Maybe he was a member of someone's Ann Summers page. So had a rough idea who where buying sex toys.

Just a thought, but maybe it could be the case that he's broken into more houses looking for sex toys and not found any, left empty-handed, thus those incidents probably went unnoticed and unreported by the homeowners as nothing was missing? Maybe the houses where he has stolen sex toys are where he's finally struck lucky after a number of attempts? He could have been casing a vast number of houses over many months to ensure that women lived in them and just hoped that there'd be sex toys in them that he could take as a souvenir?

Just my line of thinking

ETA: given the nature of the items, it's also highly possible IMO that PR has stolen more than what he has been charged with/LE know of - victims may be too uncomfortable to report it to the police, I know I probably would be.

 

[Cherwell]

I'm pretty sure it was said they had pre drinks at another friends house.

Doesn't matter. She could still have been hoping to find some other friends at the pub.

 

[Joolz1975]

Anne Summers parties?

I said this before.

His wife was a rep for Avon, could she have been rapping for Anne Summers too?

Edit - see you all got there first . Serve me right for not reading the whole thread before replying.

 

[Cherwell]

@Oulton mentioning the Ann Summers made me wonder if he just happened upon a sales persons house and took a selection rather than it being used items, including the underwear.

It's a long time since I've been to an Ann Summers party but if they still operate the same way, guests order things and the rep delivers them to the party host when they arrive. The rep doesn't keep anything in stock, she would just have a case full of samples.

Nowadays of course Ann Summers has high street shops, so if you want something you can just go in and buy it. I imagine the parties are still popular as a fun girls night in.

ETA Other purveyors of sex toys and naughty lingerie are available

 

[Newthoughts]

Regards the "trespassing" as a lot of the addresses were local could he be the type who had socialised with locals / students in the area ...could the stolen undies / vibrators / photos etc have been a case of being at a house party or at friends and had gone through their knickers drawers ?

Don't think so. No real point of commonality. No real meeting place. Students tend to be quite insular and mix with other students.

Some of us here have children at the uni and they'd have said something .

 

[EricaAmbrose1]

The thing I find baffling is how did he target the houses to burglar sex toys?

How would you even begin find how that sort of information?

Puzzling too as to what was the real motivation for trespass normally Money items of value computers ect. The other items if not in view were possibly looked for as already stated bedroom drawers . After one trespass and this type of find this could well have lead to an obsession for finding more.

 

[Newthoughts]

Exactly. We do know that she made no attempt to approach her front door, so IF she had no keys she must have known that while she was in the taxi. In which case the obvious thing would be to ask the taxi driver to go back, and ask the doormen to send a friend out.

I don't think we know exactly where they had been drinking earlier on, but if it was a pub she might have decided to go back there. Could be there were people in there who weren't going on to the club. Or she might have decided to go and get some food.

However, she was drunk so it's difficult to know how confused she was.

She was very drunk. I believe you have to be very, very drunk to be refused admittance.

Could have realised she had no keys in the taxi perhaps? If they paid her fare she wouldn't have had cash to go back.

She could have decided to make her way to the uni? She'd have friends there who could phone her friends And(they said she always would do that)

And that, sadly, would probably bring her to and possibly down, Haworth road at some point.

 

[Newthoughts]

The thing I find baffling is how did he target the houses to burglar sex toys?

How would you even begin find how that sort of information?

Exactly. I don't think these are simple opportunistic crimes. That takes watching and planning

 

[Miss_French]

I don't think she'd have accepted a lift under the pretence of him being a taxi.
If whoever coerced her into the car under false pretences rather than some sort of force, be it verbal or physical. I think it would have been something along the lines of keeping her warm.
'I live round the corner from you, you can sit in my car and wait for your friends to get home (assuming she had no key)'
'I'll take you to the Welly, ask the bouncers to grab you some keys off a friend'

It's all assuming she had no keys but there may be any other number of reasons why she chose not to go into her home.

Whilst Libby was drunk, I think the first would mean she was so out of it she wasn't aware that a really short time had passed since walking away from her house - and/or she didn't have a watch. The Welly is open until 3am, so that'd be potentially a long time to be sitting in someone's car.

 

[Mommysleuth11]

I can not see PR socialising with any student.
Have we been given the nationality of any of his victims of burglary? If they were near to him could some of them be Polish?

There was a quantity of sierra leone currency taken in one burglary. I also know at least 3 seperate incidents he has been linked to, though not necessarily charged with, were English girls (not students).

 

[ilovechili]

With regards to the boot of his car - we never heard for definite that that's where he kept the stolen sex toys. Where he stored them isn't in the public domain via MSM or LE. He could have stored them in the loft for all we know.

We also know very little about his relationship with his wife. We have very odd comments from his mum via MSM but nothing concrete. She wasn't at his court appearances. So she may or may not have known about the stolen sex toys?

That is pretty much what I meant, that I can't see them in the boot if she used the car (unless hidden) so debatable whether in the boot or in the house, etc.

As for her knowing or not, one would sure hope she did not. I cannot imagine one would stay with someone like that but then she may have been pretty dependent with children and from another country...?

In addition to the victims of the actual crime itself, I feel sorry for their families and especially minor children--the perp hurts his own generally with his crime.

I should add so long as family member's had no knowledge of anything, my heart goes out to them...

 

[yakus1964]

So I’ve had an idea of how people could remember Libby.

Set up a charity in her name.

Were there any causes she was passionate about?