Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #15 *ARREST*

[Newthoughts]

I think the lipgloss could likely have been Libby’s & wouldn’t be surprised if police didn’t attend incident on 12th Jan as when Strontium69 was attacked whilst gaining local info for us police didn’t bother contacting him after he reported it, at that time I did wonder if someone was snooping here and didn’t like Strontium69 input & if the attack was linked to that? Long shot maybe but defo a possibility.

Can I just check I'm right on this. The 12th Jan incident was PR masturbating in Libby's street. After finding the lipgloss and hammer they ruled it out of that investigation but said it was part of another. Strange in itself.

They then started checking for forensics on a particular door in Libby's street. Which could be coincidence. Am I correct on that timeline and location?

Now I'm going to sound really naive about police attendence. Like most women at some point I've seen flashers doing a PR. Like most women it's scared me so I've pretended haven't seen it and got away as quickly as possible. Certainly didn't hang round to watch it to its conclusion.

So what I'm naively asking is wouldn't PR have to be close to and aiming for that door to yield much in the way of fornsics? Even Just fingerprints. Or maybe tissues.

would the police have checked that at the time?

 

[Newthoughts]

If it was being checked in the queue, it'll be proof of age ID rather than student ID. Thursdays at Welly are very popular with students, but it isn't specifically a student night. It's not ticketed, either.

I wonder where that ID ended up.

If Welly paid for her taxi, which is possible, I believe the procedure is to take student ID as security. Student then goes back and reimburses them to get their student ID back.

If Welly didn't pay then a trophy for PR perhaps.

 

[Vermont24]

If Welly paid for her taxi, which is possible, I believe the procedure is to take student ID as security. Student then goes back and reimburses them to get their student ID back.

If Welly didn't pay then a trophy for PR perhaps.

If she didn't have a bag with her, it's probable she only had the essentials on her person - which may or may not include a student card. As far as ID goes, with limited pocket space, I think we're looking at a driving/provisional license in this case.

It used to be the case that you could pay a one-off fee for a Welly card, which would then give you a reduced entry price - but you wouldn't show that until you were inside the club. It's been a few years since I've been, but I'm unsure if a student card allows for a concession.

 

[Zazie]

I think the lipgloss could likely have been Libby’s & wouldn’t be surprised if police didn’t attend incident on 12th Jan as when Strontium69 was attacked whilst gaining local info for us police didn’t bother contacting him after he reported it, at that time I did wonder if someone was snooping here and didn’t like Strontium69 input & if the attack was linked to that? Long shot maybe but defo a possibility.

Blimey, that WOULD be a plot twist and a half! Sadly I think it was just one of those entitled motorists that doesn't want to share the road.

 

[Newthoughts]

If she didn't have a bag with her, it's probable she only had the essentials on her person - which may or may not include a student card. As far as ID goes, with limited pocket space, I think we're looking at a driving/provisional license in this case.

It used to be the case that you could pay a one-off fee for a Welly card, which would then give you a reduced entry price - but you wouldn't show that until you were inside the club. It's been a few years since I've been, but I'm unsure if a student card allows for a concession.

She'd need some ID to get in and get anything at the bar. Bit of cash. If we go with no keys and phone - she was traveling very light. Possibly lip gloss!. If she left her ID as security for taxi fare - even less.

That leaves very little for police to find and very little for PR to keep.

 

[Vermont24]

She'd need some ID to get in and get anything at the bar. Bit of cash. If we go with no keys and phone - she was traveling very light. Possibly lip gloss!. If she left her ID as security for taxi fare - even less.

That leaves very little for police to find and very little for PR to keep.

I'd go along with that inventory, yeah - cash/card, ID.

Most girls I know take a handbag out with them, and usually freshen up their makeup etc at some point during the night. If you were taking the bare minimum, ladies, would it be lip gloss?

 

[Newthoughts]

I'd go along with that inventory, yeah - cash/card, ID.

Most girls I know take a handbag out with them, and usually freshen up their makeup etc at some point during the night. If you were taking the bare minimum, ladies, would it be lip gloss?

For me yep for a minimum. Would hope mascara etc would remain but lip stick / gloss disappears with each drink.

 

[JosieJo]

I do think most girls on a night out would carry a lip gloss

For me though I'm struggling as to how these items would fit with the crime ?

If it was libby's that area can be caught on CCTV or there abouts we know she was there at some point that night ...it doesn't have the significance of finding her lip gloss at another location

The tools if PRs why put them there ? Why would they be where they were found ? I cant make anything fit to it at all?

 

[Newthoughts]

I do think most girls on a night out would carry a lip gloss

For me though I'm struggling as to how these items would fit with the crime ?

If it was libby's that area can be caught on CCTV or there abouts we know she was there at some point that night ...it doesn't have the significance of finding her lip gloss at another location

The tools if PRs why put them there ? Why would they be where they were found ? I cant make anything fit to it at all?

It's already been discounted for the investigation into Libby.

It has been linked to a 'different investigation' which may or may not involve PR. I struggle with the fact the lip gloss was not separated from the other 2 items by police or msm. The way it's reported suggests they were found together / are treated as being together

If it does link to his other crimes (and it probably doesn't) the only thing I can think of is it might suggest he keeps a lot of trophies. Some to carry around.

You'd report sex toys and pants because you'd be scared. You'd report laptops for insurance but you might not even notice lip gloss had gone straight away? You'd assume you'd lost it

Depending on the date of whatever offence the other investigation refers to, it might also suggest he has been hanging around that area a lot.

I do wonder how far back the police are going with CCTV. If Libby was just a change sighting that night they'd have PR parking there that night. If he was, however, starting to look out for lone students, he'd park there more often. My child has told she used it as a short cut to uni.

All just speculation though

 

[JosieJo]

It's already been discounted for the investigation into Libby.

It has been linked to a 'different investigation' which may or may not involve PR. I struggle with the fact the lip gloss was not separated from the other 2 items by police or msm. The way it's reported suggests they were found together / are treated as being together

If it does link to his other crimes (and it probably doesn't) the only thing I can think of is it might suggest he keeps a lot of trophies. Some to carry around.

You'd report sex toys and pants because you'd be scared. You'd report laptops for insurance but you might not even notice lip gloss had gone straight away? You'd assume you'd lost it

Depending on the date of whatever offence the other investigation refers to, it might also suggest he has been hanging around that area a lot.

I do wonder how far back the police are going with CCTV. If Libby was just a change sighting that night they'd have PR parking there that night. If he was, however, starting to look out for lone students, he'd park there more often. My child has told she used it as a short cut to uni.

All just speculation though

I agree ... and yes I meant I cant fit to PR in any investigation.. the items well yes with his charged crimes you could link them to him but i just cant at all see why he would dispose if them there .

 

[TheCasual]

Thinking of Libby's mum today. First Mothers Day without her beautiful daughter

 

[Newthoughts]

I agree ... and yes I meant I cant fit to PR in any investigation.. the items well yes with his charged crimes you could link them to him but i just cant at all see why he would dispose if them there .

Me neither but have you ever heard of something called the Dunning Kruger effect (it's a real thing honest)? Every so often it creeps into my head regarding PR. Probably incorrectly but it does. It's a sort of combination of stupidity and arrogance where an incompetent person is too incompetent to see how incompetent they are and they overestimate how clever they are. A good crook would think though what the police might look for. PR doesn't even seen to have hidden stolen goods.

 

[Newthoughts]

Thinking of Libby's mum today. First Mothers Day without her beautiful daughter

This day must be awful. I can't begin to imagine. And the poor family's nightmare is going to go on for a long time. Let's hope they get a guilty plea from whoever is responsible.

 

[Vermont24]

Me neither but have you ever heard of something called the Dunning Kruger effect (it's a real thing honest)? Every so often it creeps into my head regarding PR. Probably incorrectly but it does. It's a sort of combination of stupidity and arrogance where an incompetent person is too incompetent to see how incompetent they are and they overestimate how clever they are. A good crook would think though what the police might look for. PR doesn't even seen to have hidden stolen goods.

Did you just explain every manager I've ever had?

 

[Skigh]

The Sun news/8341967/libbysquire


Hope this link works .
This article has more information about finding lip gloss and tools.

 

[Cherwell]

This is the link
Libby Squire - Cops recover lipgloss, hammer and screwdriver as mum says student, 21, DID make it home before vanishing

 

[Skigh]

Thank you Cherwell.

 

[JosieJo]

Me neither but have you ever heard of something called the Dunning Kruger effect (it's a real thing honest)? Every so often it creeps into my head regarding PR. Probably incorrectly but it does. It's a sort of combination of stupidity and arrogance where an incompetent person is too incompetent to see how incompetent they are and they overestimate how clever they are. A good crook would think though what the police might look for. PR doesn't even seen to have hidden stolen goods.

I will read about it

 

[jacksmamma]

This is the link
Libby Squire - Cops recover lipgloss, hammer and screwdriver as mum says student, 21, DID make it home before vanishing

That was a difficult read, reporting LS last seen wearing black jeans but showing a picture of her in the skirt she wore that night.

 

[kate2931]

Thinking of Libby's mum today. First Mothers Day without her beautiful daughter

Lisa was the first person on my mind this morning. I’ve just wrote a little message to her on a thread on a Facebook Libby discussion page, telling her she’s in our thoughts today. She has said thank you to many on there.

Thought it might be worth while to bare in mind that if she’s active on discussion groups on social media she may have found us here too, although I’ve tried to be as sensitive as possible talking about some aspects of the case, I’ll be trying even harder from now on. Lots of love to Lisa today x