UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #20

[Dotta]

In all honesty, if a member of my family was convicted for stalking and terrorising women, breaking into their homes, stealing their personal items and photos, blamming on windows and doors, leaving used condoms and undies on door handles, leaving a used condom on a child's toy and being a dirty disgusting perverted sex criminal I would have nothing more to do with them ever. They'd be on their own for any further charges. JMO

Even if a child is mentally ill? Even Ted Bundy's mother stood by him to the bitter end

 

[Miss_French]

Perhaps the family obligation could be used to compensate all the young women traumatised by his sexually deviant behaviour.

That's unnecessary. Why is it the family's responsibility to do that? Someone can turn criminal after growing up in a loving environment.

 

[HullGirl72]

Perhaps the family obligation could be used to compensate all the young women traumatised by his sexually deviant behaviour.[/QUOTE
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I think the family’s obligation is to give their support to the children who are now left without their father as he faces his lengthy prison sentence.
The trauma those children will endure is terrible.
He knew the risks but still went ahead knowing the hurt and shame he’d cause all the people he supposedly loved

 

[HullGirl72]

Even if a child is mentally ill? Even Ted Bundy's mother stood by him to the bitter end

You don’t just suddenly become mentally ill like this
It starts in childhood and gradually gets worse till they’re caught.
How did no one around him see any hints of what was to come?
He’s not that clever at hiding what he did as his crimes show.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

Depraved does not automatically equate to mentally IMO

 

[Sooty]

You can be disgusted and repulsed by someone’s actions and still love, and feel responsibility and understanding for the person. We don’t know if there are some circumstances that may have created the deviant behaviour, even if we can’t understand it.

 

[Dotta]

You don’t just suddenly become mentally ill like this
It starts in childhood and gradually gets worse till they’re caught.
How did no one around him see any hints of what was to come?
He’s not that clever at hiding what he did as his crimes show.

I totally agree with you!!! Maybe that's why he decided to emigrate to the UK? To indulge his deviations far from home? Symptoms must have been showing during his adolescence

 

[Skigh]

Even if a child is mentally ill? Even Ted Bundy's mother stood by him to the bitter end

There has been nothing to indicate PR is mentally ill. He will have been assessed in prison.

 

[HullGirl72]

I totally agree with you!!! Maybe that's why he decided to emigrate to the UK? To indulge his deviations far from home? Symptoms must have been showing during his adolescence

Not according to his mother.

 

[HullGirl72]

There has been nothing to indicate PR is mentally ill. He will have been assessed in prison.

He couldn’t have stood trial if deemed mentally ill

 

[Dotta]

There has been nothing to indicate PR is mentally ill. He will have been assessed in prison.

Well He isn't exactly sane either That's for sure

 

[havntgotaclue]

I suspect that has been misreported, unless it includes the journey from a parked car on Beresford Avenue. There's obviously variations depending on route, but even the furthest possible distance across the playing fields isn't much more than 300m.

I agree 300m direct from car park to river bank 460m via lake on a good footpath to boathouse.

 

[havntgotaclue]

Just measured again ...the route marked is 546 metres...obviously we don't know what route he took but that's just basing on the prosecution measurements and the witness saying it sounded like top left of pond

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Google maps isnt that accurate i went by os online mapping but as you say depends what route he took

 

[JosieJo]

Wasn't PR re arrested August 20/21(?) 2019 in regards to Libbys rape and Murder, but not charged until October? I acknowledge that there was no burden of timing as he was already safely locked away for a significant period, but that does seem like a long time to actually charge. Usually rearrest and further questioning of that type is when all the investigations have provided the evidence needed and the rape charge shows they had forensic results back. I do agree with the poster who said it suggests some back and forth between CPS and police in terms of getting those charges authorised. MOO.

Yes I agree too ...I think the lack of clarity on cause of death didn't help...I think even if budgets are tight I do not think they would delay charges as the majority of the evidence would have been gathered by the time she had been found ..I also think they wouldn't want the parents torture to go on any longer than necessary..theyvwould be waiting for a charge

 

[HullGirl72]

I agree 300m direct from car park to river bank 460m via lake on a good footpath to boathouse.

Even if the footpaths were visible in the snow he wouldn’t have walked along them surely.
They’re so trodden upon that they quickly become ice.
Most people would rather walk off the path when it’s icy, either on the road or on the snowy grass.
It stands to reason he walks on the snowy grass instead and the most direct route in the snow.

 

[JosieJo]

Google maps isnt that accurate i went by os online mapping but as you say depends what route he took

That's interesting thanks ..im very interested in timeline and distance..is that to boathouse or going around boathouse to rivers edge ..not nitpicking generally interested because the timeline so tight imo

 

[Vermont24]

Even if the footpaths were visible in the snow he wouldn’t have walked along them surely.
They’re so trodden upon that they quickly become ice.
Most people would rather walk off the path when it’s icy, either on the road or on the snowy grass.
It stands to reason he walks on the snowy grass instead and the most direct route in the snow.

I'd go along with that theory too.

 

[havntgotaclue]

Even if the footpaths were visible in the snow he wouldn’t have walked along them surely.
They’re so trodden upon that they quickly become ice.
Most people would rather walk off the path when it’s icy, either on the road or on the snowy grass.
It stands to reason he walks on the snowy grass instead and the most direct route in the snow.

Sure and the most direct route is 300m as previously stated

 

[JosieJo]

Even if the footpaths were visible in the snow he wouldn’t have walked along them surely.
They’re so trodden upon that they quickly become ice.
Most people would rather walk off the path when it’s icy, either on the road or on the snowy grass.
It stands to reason he walks on the snowy grass instead and the most direct route in the snow.

I think whatever variables looked at it has to be taken into consideration there are only a few openings to the river ...not just any place as the crow flies ...the police also spent a lot of time at the boathouse area and the river behind it at that point ..it also fits with "top left of pond" witness ...it may not be as the crow flies...it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't make for the cover of the boathouse..but who knows?

 

[HullGirl72]

I think whatever variables looked at it has to be taken into consideration there are only a few openings to the river ...not just any place as the crow flies ...the police also spent a lot of time at the boathouse area and the river behind it at that point ..it also fits with "top left of pond" witness ...it may not be as the crow flies...it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't make for the cover of the boathouse..but who knows?

I absolutely agree
When this thread first started everyone speculated on what the Police knew and we were all taken by surprise just how much evidence they did have in the end.
The public were given as little info as possible.
I also think the court reporter isn’t as vigilant as they should be and could be missing things out they don’t deem vital.
I think there’s still so much we don’t know that the police do.