UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #20

[Ruthbullock]

This makes sense if a interpreter is using the words fetish and voyeurism. But neither are “simple” or “silly” crimes! MOO

There may not have been a direct translation other than that- if using a translator I don’t think we can pick at the terms we are using because realistically the translator will come up with the one that conveys similar in its simplest form (but not always the same)

 

[JosieJo]

.And yet so much of the evidence the prosecution have called proves simply, does it not, that he could have raped her, that he could have killed her. Not that he did. But that he might have done. Which I am afraid is not enough. “

Mr Saxby told the court there was no
evidence of violence after Libby's body was found.

“There is no evidence of any sort of violent attack – right down to each of her thin hooped earrings being in place and her delicate...neck chain intact when her body was found,” he said.

The court also heard how the butcher would need to be a “fast runner indeed” to have killed Libby then dumped her in the river – all in seven and a half minutes.

More details of the defence opening here from "the mirror"

Libby Squire suspect's lawyer admits his past crimes are 'gross and disgusting'

 

[Vera_dci]

What about the bruising to the inside of her right leg , the top of her arm and stomach area. Other bruising on her legs could have come from falling over I completely agree with that BUT the bruising I have mentioned is more likely IMO from being assaulted .

 

[ChiCubs2016]

I think it grew out of speculation as to whether she might be called as a witness. I think it's still the case that a spouse cannot be compelled to give evidence.

I brought up the divorce today because I was curious if he may have refused to sign a divorce so he could use the wife and children because he thought it would gain sympathy from the jury. MOO

 

[jamjim]

14:23
CCTV footage being shown
Relowicz is being shown CCTV footage of Libby walking from Wellesley Avenue onto Beverley Road and then falling over before being helped by two men.

Pawel Relowicz is giving his account of what happened to Libby - updates

 

[Sooty]

Not sure they had much choice as looks like his previous convictions were allowed as evidence so maybe better fot defence to acknowledge than just not mention but, having said that, I'm suprised by use of words such as "silly" as to me it sounds like he is trivializing his past crimes rather than showing regret and rehabilitation.

Edited to add I would use the word "silly" if my child was misbehaving not for crimes such as those he has already been convicted of

from what I have read, I understand that the word ‘silly’ was only used in his interview with police - it has been used today whilst referring to his reaction answer in that interview, rather than as how he may feel about the crimes today.

just trying to be fair!

 

[Alyce]

There may not have been a direct translation other than that- if using a translator I don’t think we can pick at the terms we are using because realistically the translator will come up with the one that conveys similar in its simplest form (but not always the same)

Except it's not a fetish, it's a crime, as Mrazda pointed out. I would expect a court translator to know the difference.

 

[mrazda71]

I hate that this is basically showing him a highlights reel of his 'best work' ...

 

[Cherwell]

“There is no evidence of any sort of violent attack – right down to each of her thin hooped earrings being in place and her delicate...neck chain intact when her body was found,” he said.

The neck chain is a good argument against strangulation, but I've always thought that less likely than smothering.

 

[Newthoughts]

He got 8+ years for these crimes. It is definitely not what I expected to hear from his defence to be honest.

Yes I must admit I'm confused at the defence using this because it leaves the door wide open for the prosecution to give far more detail on them. Including the judge in that cases pre sentence summing up when he called him a danger and gave him 8 1/2 years even tho each individual crime only carried a short sentence. Felt they were so serious they had to be served consecutively rather than concurrently to keep him inside!

Surely now the prosecution can use that? Should use that

 

[Newthoughts]

God they are. A guy in my area was charged with 4 separate counts of rape on one night and he got 10 years. He will be out anytime I think. Disgusting.

That is disgusting. 10 years for multiple rape!!!

A friend was on a jury for a stolen treasure case (not as mad as it sounds they'd dug up saxon and viking coins and jewellery and sold it instead of declaring it) and they got 10 years for something as close to a victimless crime as it's possible to get. The same as a rapist who destroys lives.

 

[JusticeDT]

from what I have read, I understand that the word ‘silly’ was only used in his interview with police - it has been used today whilst referring to his reaction answer in that interview, rather than as how he may feel about the crimes today.

just trying to be fair!

Fair point

 

[jamjim]

14:34
Relowicz was in the area at the time of Libby's disappearance to commit voyeurism

Relowicz admits he parked up at Haworth Street, close to where Libby was, to walk across to Beresford Avenue to look through windows and carry out a sex act.

Pawel Relowicz is giving his account of what happened to Libby - updates

 

[Sooty]

14:34
Relowicz was in the area at the time of Libby's disappearance to commit voyeurism

Relowicz admits he parked up at Haworth Street, close to where Libby was, to walk across to Beresford Avenue to look through windows and carry out a sex act.

Pawel Relowicz is giving his account of what happened to Libby - updates

Is this the hugging of the wall maybe ?

 

[JusticeDT]

Is this the hugging of the wall maybe ?

Wonder if we will get explanation. Never seen a sober person hug a wall before.

 

[Challwood]

The neck chain is a good argument against strangulation, but I've always thought that less likely than smothering.

An article in The Sun newspaper today has again reported that Libby had marks to her neck and small haemorrages around her mouth, that could be signs of asphyxiation. Did we ever find out whether there was or wasn’t as seemed to be some confusion about whether she did or didn’t have these marks?
Libby 'killer was "looking for woman to have easy sex" with to fulfil fetish'

 

[JosieJo]

He seems to say today he was in the area looked for opportunities for voyeurism etc "and/or find a girl for sex" ..is looking for "casual sex" always been on his agenda for his regular nights outings ? Or just that night

 

[Sooty]

He seems to say today he was in the area looked for opportunities for voyeurism etc "and/or find a girl for sex" ..is looking for "casual sex" always been on his agenda for his regular nights outings ? Or just that night

I would like to know this too.
This guy is definitely hypersexual.

MOO

 

[Vera_dci]

He seems to say today he was in the area looked for opportunities for voyeurism etc "and/or find a girl for sex" ..is looking for "casual sex" always been on his agenda for his regular nights outings ? Or just that night

Yes I wondered this. Had he approached anyone for sex before?!

 

[Dotta]

What does that mean, his car was not there? Makes no sense.
And I don't remember it being reported that Sam Alford saw him getting into the car.
This all sounds like waffle to me.

As defence said the car was round the corner. Not at the place the witness stated. That's what I understood.