UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #22

[JosieJo]

Yep that does seem likely. Which suggests the timing is the issue. 12.14 or about 12.30. 12.14 fits with the other evidence.

Personally I cannot ignore all the other evidence that has emerged. And for me PRs lies, his unconcerned return to a scene that should have had police there and his filling of a condom knowing he'd just raped someone are just too strong. But coupled with the stalking and the previous crimes no doubt has been raised in my mind.

IMO his later behaviour that night is terrifying. I can't help thinking he would have done it again that night if the chance had arisen.

I think when and if he gets out he will do it again.

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JMO

Its not just 12.14 or 12.30 ....he woke at 12.14
His testimony states his own variation of anywhere between 12.16 and 12.23

I do think the second witness is out slightly with timings but it gives weight to Sams later prediction

 

[Offaly]

So that is over 5 minutes,not the 4 minutes we had previously heard.

Yes so second and third visit now adding up to 12/13 minutes, which is a good chunk of time to accomplish things.

 

[Offaly]

So that is over 5 minutes,not the 4 minutes we had previously heard.

Yes so second and third visit now adding up to 12/13 minutes, which is a good chunk of time to accomplish things.

 

[Skigh]

I doubt either witness is lying but who is correct with their timing. Sam has a text to base his timing off but not much said about second, other than checked their phone. Was this during screams or after?

That is a very good point. They could have noted the time after listening to the screams.

 

[Vera_dci]

And rounded it up after a quick glance at their phone?. Its like when you are at work, time drags but when doing something you enjoy it flies by. Did they discuss the screams longer than they thought they did?

 

[JosieJo]

By 2.25am, he was caught on CCTV arriving back at Oak Road Playing Fields. He remained there for just over four minutes.

This was the prosecution claim at opening...are we hearing longer now?

Libby Squire murder trial key points so far

 

[Winterbells]

I want him put away for a life stretch as much as the next person...hoping his lies and past convictions are burnt into the jurys minds because both witnesses have her alive at 12.19 and the timings are incredibly tight

If Libby was screaming at 12.19, could she have been in the river at that point, still alive and screaming? And if she was still alive when she was put/ended up in the river, is it possible it wasn't drowning that killed her, but hypothermia?

 

[Sooty]

If Libby was screaming at 12.19, could she have been in the river at that point, still alive and screaming? And if she was still alive when she was put/ended up in the river, is it possible it wasn't drowning that killed her, but hypothermia?

IMO it’s as possible as any other scenario - that’s the problem I have - nothing can be ruled out.

 

[Offaly]

Yep - great X

His consciousness of guilt has been clear all along. He knew Libby would not be turning up anytime soon.

Such a pity he hasn't been evidenced etc IN the park by anyone

 

[Winterbells]

By 2.25am, he was caught on CCTV arriving back at Oak Road Playing Fields. He remained there for just over four minutes.

This was the prosecution claim at opening...are we hearing longer now?

Libby Squire murder trial key points so far

I'm confused now. I thought he was back home at 2.22am.

 

[Jjn]

This is why I want to wait to get the clear summary of the Crown version

 

[Ruthbullock]

BBM Do you mean SA's? He gave his statement to police on February 4th.

Thanks- it still wasn’t that night. He obviously doubted himself enough not to feel the need to phone 999, or even report it the next morning.

 

[Newthoughts]

If Libby was screaming at 12.19, could she have been in the river at that point, still alive and screaming? And if she was still alive when she was put/ended up in the river, is it possible it wasn't drowning that killed her, but hypothermia?

Unlikely. The expert witness on hypothermia said if she'd entered the river alive she could have lasted for 30 minutes before becoming losing consciousness. That would be time to drown and probably but not conclusively show some typical signs of drowning.

It would have been really useful to have heard more of the expert witnesses. Just to get a feel for their informed opinions rather than what they show conclusively

 

[Jjn]

He says sex was consensual but if Libby was in such a bad way as he said himself how could she possibly consent.

 

[Vera_dci]

Such a pity he hasn't been evidenced etc IN the park by anyone

I know its frustrating. Im not putting blame on the witnesses at all BUT If only one of those witnesses had called the police they could have possibly found libby dead or alive in the park. So sad.

 

[DiploRed]

But he saw nothing apart from a man walking through the park. We know from the croda CCTV that at least four other people were walking through there as well even later than it is suggested PR was and nothing distinguishes it as PR who he saw.

no, completely wrong. That cctv showed people walking down Oak Road. That isn’t inside Oak Road Playing Fields where the witness saw a man. Oak Road is a cut though kind of thing and takes you to Clough Road.

 

[Lyall0814]

He was arrested before then- and if our argument is he would have got away with it if there was no dna left in her body- what does that say about the court case for murder?

They don't have to prove exactly how and when he did it. A man behaving the way he did that night being indisputably connected forensically with her body will usually be enough for most British juries.

 

[Newthoughts]

I'm confused now. I thought he was back home at 2.22am.

Back home at 12.22. Out again at 2.25. And off and up to his old tricks by 2.30.

And if 2.25 is 2.25.00 and 2.30 is 2.30.59 the time back at the park goes up. And if that's happened with the other timings it goes up again

 

[Officer Dibble]

Remember that story that got into the media that he claimed he was working as a taxi driver?

I've often wondered if that is what he told her and that was true

Which is why we need to hear from the wife. JMO

 

[Officer Dibble]

11:22
Neighbour heard “high-pitched female scream”

Mr Brewster's partner Hannah Durkin has been called to the witness box.

She says it was at around 12.30am that she last checked her phone on February 1.

Miss Durkin said she heard a “high-pitched female scream”.

She said: “I told Drew to be quiet so I could listen further and I heard it around three times. It lasted five to ten seconds each scream and there was a period of 15 to 20 second between the screams that I heard.

“My bedroom was at the back of the house. It sounded like it was coming from the right hand side of Oak Road playing fields. It was just screams that I heard.

“It sounded panicking, that was my initial thought.”

Miss Durkin said she decided to call the police after seeing reports that Libby had gone missing after being dropped off at Wellesley Avenue, “just a few streets away.”

Pawel Relowicz returns to witness stand as week two of trial ends

5 to 10 seconds of screaming is quite a long time, if you try it yourself.