UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #23

[LastSeenWearing]

But the taxi dropped her right outside her home. Her flatmate was in. It doesn't make sense that she didn't ring the bell if no key, or stay at the other student house until her friends returned. It has never made any sense to me that instead, she wandered up and down Beverley Road, sobbing, screaming, shouting and lying in the snow.

From what I remember Libby still had her house key when she was dropped outside her house by the taxi. She lost it later in the garden of the girls student house she called at en route to Beverley Road which makes it even stranger that she didn't let herself in. Someone suggested she did not want to see the housemate who was at the house but she could have just gone straight into her room. I always thought the reason she didn't enter her house was because she did not have her keys but at that stage she did so strange she did not enter the house. Maybe she wanted to go and wait for her friends coming back from Welly. We make strange decisions when drunk.

 

[HullGirl72]

Rather than lying, I think it perhaps a mistake but much more likely it is probably losing something in translation/interpretation either in the current reporting or in the reporting at the time of the witnesses’ statements. Why would Saxby risk his career by lying, for PR? I don’t think he would.

Its all in the wording.
He’s presenting his own scenario based on testimony and using the wording to his advantage.
The coroner couldn’t say if she had bruises or not.
So from that he infers there was none.

 

[Steve2021]

This is my favourite genre of defence nonsense

Just because my client got up and lied to you about what happened that night, doesn't mean he is hiding what really happened that night!

Quite. If it looks like a duck, it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, guess what, it's a duck!

 

[Winterbells]

Yes he did. He said he put her seatbelt why hasn't that been disallowed?

Maybe he's lying and didn't. Maybe he says he did to show how caring he is. Perhaps the cctc shows her putting her seatbelt on.

 

[Officer Dibble]

11:02
'The evidence proves not that he killed her, but instead simply that he might have done'

Mr Saxby said:

“The evidence they place before you proves not that he killed her, but instead simply that he might have done, that he could have done. It does not prove he did."

Libby Squire murder trial live updates: Defence give closing speech

oh no, will this mean he might get Manslaughter instead? JMO

 

[Steve2021]

This is my favourite genre of defence nonsense

Just because my client got up and lied to you about what happened that night, doesn't mean he is hiding what really happened that night!

Quite. If it looks like a duck, it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, guess what, it's a duck!

 

[Skigh]

Maybe he expected it

I would be very surprised if his face did not change when they informed him his semen had been found .

 

[ChiCubs2016]

I bloody well hope so.

I was just curious because if I was a juror I would wonder why no one felt the need to support him. So many families of criminals have stood by them. All we have from his family was they did not think he would do this sort of thing but if so then he must pay. At least that is all I have seen. MOO

 

[Newthoughts]

Maybe he's lying and didn't. Maybe he says he did to show how caring he is. Perhaps the cctc shows her putting her seatbelt on.

Yes but PR said it in court and now his defence barrister is saying she did. I didn't expect decency from the defence but I did expect consistency

 

[Cherwell]

But the taxi dropped her right outside her home. Her flatmate was in. It doesn't make sense that she didn't ring the bell if no key, or stay at the other student house until her friends returned. It has never made any sense to me that instead, she wandered up and down Beverley Road, sobbing, screaming, shouting and lying in the snow.

Nor me. And she did have her key, she had it until she dropped it outside the other student house. The only thing I can think of is that she might have decided to go and get some take-away food.

I still think she might have been trying to make her way back to the Welly.

I doubt it, it sounded as if she was swearing about the bouncer when she was in the taxi. Pretty sure she wouldn't have harboured any hope of being allowed in.

Im the first to admit I’m a total gobshite when I’m drunk
If you saw me you’d say I was carrying on in a very loud and confrontational way.
We all say what we think when drunk
I doubt she was screaming the way she’s been made out to be

Same here! I've never wandered off on my own though.

 

[HullGirl72]

I was just curious because if I was a juror I would wonder why no one felt the need to support him. So many families of criminals have stood by them. All we got from his family was they did not think he would do this sort of thing but if so then he must pay. At least that is all I have seen. MOO

I remember reading his mother couldn’t afford to come to the UK during his last trial.
It’s not just airfares, it’s hotels, food, loss of earnings. She’d have likely had to bring someone for support and the language barrier outside of proceedings
His sister is here
She must have gone.

 

[Vera_dci]

Maybe he expected it

expecting his dna to have been washed away when libby was found.

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

I was just curious because if I was a juror I would wonder why no one felt the need to support him. So many families of criminals have stood by them. All we have from his family was they did not think he would do this sort of thing but if so then he must pay. At least that is all I have seen. MOO

Maybe they don't actually support him? I couldn't support a convicted sex criminal no matter who they are to me. JMO

 

[HullGirl72]

Nor me. And she did have her key, she had it until she dropped it outside the other student house. The only thing I can think of is that she might have decided to go and get some take-away food.

I doubt it, it sounded as if she was swearing about the bouncer when she was in the taxi. Pretty sure she wouldn't have harboured any hope of being allowed in.

Same here! I've never wandered off on my own though.

I have
I’ve made my own way home if I couldn’t get into clubs.

 

[ChiCubs2016]

I remember reading his mother couldn’t afford to come to the UK during his last trial.
It’s not just airfares, it’s hotels, food, loss of earnings. She’d have likely had to bring someone for support and the language barrier outside of proceedings
His sister is here
She must have gone.

This makes sense. Thank you.

 

[Cherwell]

I was just curious because if I was a juror I would wonder why no one felt the need to support him. So many families of criminals have stood by them. All we have from his family was they did not think he would do this sort of thing but if so then he must pay. At least that is all I have seen. MOO

I'd say it's very unwise for anyone to travel outside their neighbourhood, let alone their country, during this pandemic, unless it's for unavoidable reasons.

 

[Cherwell]

I have
I’ve made my own way home if I couldn’t get into clubs.

Ah, but that's going home, that's the sensible thing to do. I meant randomly wander off from a place of safety.

 

[Sayrah]

The tarnishing of Libby's mental health has really upset me. But for a few crucial differences, we have similar histories. I had depression/self harm/suicide attempts before going to university. I self harmed whilst at uni and took several overdoses. From the age of 16 i also went out a lot with friends, and often ended up getting drunk and crying. I was that drunk girl you saw at clubs in the toilets sobbing. I lost count of the nights I did that, and the friends I lost from it. I have wandered the streets drunk and crying, asking people to lie down with me in the street.

I put myself in strange situations, where quite frankly I try not to think about, because it scares me what could have happened. If it had, it kills me to think that my past would have been brought up in this way. And it kills me to think that Libby is being blamed for PRs actions. It really isn't fair that her past has been brought up in this way.

Libby's friends sound lovely, and supportive of her, as do her family. If it upsets me to hear this, I can't imagine what they are going through, and it's so cruel that the defence are allowed to paint her in this way.

I completely agree. I was very much like you in my late teens.

Long time lurker, but felt compelled to post today.

This part of the trial has really upset me on a visceral level. When I was 19 I was in a situation very much like Libby - a man offered to help me when I was extremely drunk. He ended up violently assaulting me, but I managed to escape. I truly thought I was going to die. At his trial they brought up my precarious mental health too. For me, this was the hardest part of the trial - that this man who only knew me because he hurt me was allowed to know my innermost thoughts, and then use those to say I was a liar. It was such a violation, and nothing to do with what he did that night. Much like Libby, they also tried to make out I was upset because he had rejected me. Thankfully, the jury saw through it. But it was horrific. Ten years on I don't think I will ever truly get over what happened in those six months - the assault, the trial.

I am so so sorry Libby's family are having to listen to this. I am so sorry that she wasn't as lucky as me. It is beyond cruel and gross that they are painting her in this way. I really hope the jury see through this.

And yes, I understand the defence have a job to do, of course, and of course I lack any impartiality. My heart just aches for Libby and her loved ones.

 

[JosieJo]

The defence this morning was particularly harsh ...im struggling because I think this will turn the jury against him .... there could have been much "nicer" ways of putting what he has said to the jury and not alienate them at the same time

 

[sundaaaay]

I have
I’ve made my own way home if I couldn’t get into clubs.

Sometimes you don’t want your night to end so quickly and go home drunk alone. I’ve been there.