UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #23

[bos]

I think bruises to the legs could be explained by the amount of times Libby fell to the ground that night, bruising to the arms by people pulling her up but lacerations to the inside of the mouth?? I cannot see how that would be caused in a fall but a hand pushing up against a mouth to silence could cause that type of injury.

Yes, but to be fair, the pathologist couldn’t distinguish whether it’d happened before or after death (mouth lacerations)

EBM for clarity

 

[HullGirl72]

Hopefully the Judge will address all of these points in the summing up.
Lies under oath by a barrister?!

 

[HullGirl72]

It really doesn’t look good does it
PR lying and changing his story
The defence barrister misquoting testimony to suit his narrative.

 

[Littlegreenlady]

The tarnishing of Libby's mental health has really upset me. But for a few crucial differences, we have similar histories. I had depression/self harm/suicide attempts before going to university. I self harmed whilst at uni and took several overdoses. From the age of 16 i also went out a lot with friends, and often ended up getting drunk and crying. I was that drunk girl you saw at clubs in the toilets sobbing. I lost count of the nights I did that, and the friends I lost from it. I have wandered the streets drunk and crying, asking people to lie down with me in the street.

I put myself in strange situations, where quite frankly I try not to think about, because it scares me what could have happened. If it had, it kills me to think that my past would have been brought up in this way. And it kills me to think that Libby is being blamed for PRs actions. It really isn't fair that her past has been brought up in this way.

Libby's friends sound lovely, and supportive of her, as do her family. If it upsets me to hear this, I can't imagine what they are going through, and it's so cruel that the defence are allowed to paint her in this way.

 

[bos]

During summing up speeches, are the opposite side allowed to object?

 

[Officer Dibble]

11:14
Defence addressing Relowicz's previous offences

Discussing the case of outraging public decency in Alexandra Road, Mr Saxby said: “The same thing he did at the same time on February 1 - somehow that is linked to rape and murder.

"Hang on, January 12, 2019, he was masturbating in roughly the same place at the same time. He went down Beresford Avenue and ‘lurked in the shadows’ - look where he went. He was looking for people to watch and masturbate. This is something he had done before.”

On the offence in Wellesley Avenue, Mr Saxby said it was "disgusting".

But he said there was "no question of contact with the women involved or an attempt to do anything to them".

On the burglary on Ventnor Street, Mr Saxby said: “There was also a vibrator and gel and a student flyer. His wife’s vibrator and gel. On this topic there are also the internet print outs from February 1 - Chaturbate and so on.

“If you look at those - nothing violent in nature, nothing suggesting his sexual offending was on some sort of frantic, upward curve. They are embarrassing and not everyone’s cup of tea. In a great sense they are utterly pathetic but not what the prosecution seek to put on him. They mirror the physical acts we know he did, masturbating, watching people having sex and so on."

Libby Squire murder trial live: Defence gives closing statement

Ugh he is really trying to normalise this behavour. People will never get over what happened to them. JMO MOO

 

[Winterbells]

Libby was almost home. She hadn't tried to harm herself on her way home, so why are the defence trying to make out she was suicidal that night? She could have walked out in traffic if she was suicidal, she was just trying to get home. JMO

But the taxi dropped her right outside her home. Her flatmate was in. It doesn't make sense that she didn't ring the bell if no key, or stay at the other student house until her friends returned. It has never made any sense to me that instead, she wandered up and down Beverley Road, sobbing, screaming, shouting and lying in the snow.

 

[Skigh]

Do the jury get given a print out of each days court proceedings so they can look back and see exactly what was previously said?

 

[ChiCubs2016]

Do we know if anyone has shown up to support PR? I thought I read they had not but was not sure if that was accurate. Is COVID preventing family from traveling?

 

[Steve2021]

He seems to be emphasising the least likely cause of Libby being in the river.

Quite agree. I thought they might not even raise it for fear it'd go down like a lead balloon. And I'm surprised they've put it forward as their 1st argument not their last, particularly as their potential get out of jail card is the 7.5 minute window and the scream witnesses evidence. Maybe they're also intending to argue Libby had a short skirt on so quite reasonably PR felt she was asking for it!

 

[Alyce]

During summing up speeches, are the opposite side allowed to object?

No they can't say anything. It is down to the Judge to redress anything that she feels is not correct during her final summing up.

 

[sundaaaay]

Yes I agree, i think from analysing his previous crimes/behaviour he was clearly leading a double life, so it is quite plausible he may have even had a second untraceable phone to stalk victims/carry out internet searches. The lack of searches on his known phone to me looks more suspicious. JMO

He was leading a double life and very successfully too, and in the vicinity of his own home. I think part of this success is similar to many criminals in the fact that he’s actually naturally very indistinct looking and that he lives in a place with a transient population. None of his characteristics are memorable. He sort of looks like a student, when he’s out committing crimes he runs off and he looks like someone going for a run. His clothes are completely normal and he could be any nationality. When he’s caught peeping he says he’s delivering pizza, he speaks English but when it doesn’t suit him he doesn’t. When he finds the perfect victim he claims he’s trying to help yet he brings them to ORPF. Even here people again give him the benefit of the doubt but I think he’s smarter than he looks.

 

[Skigh]

But the taxi dropped her right outside her home. Her flatmate was in. It doesn't make sense that she didn't ring the bell if no key, or stay at the other student house until her friends returned. It has never made any sense to me that instead, she wandered up and down Beverley Road, sobbing, screaming, shouting and lying in the snow.

I still think she might have been trying to make her way back to the Welly.

 

[HullGirl72]

But the taxi dropped her right outside her home. Her flatmate was in. It doesn't make sense that she didn't ring the bell if no key, or stay at the other student house until her friends returned. It has never made any sense to me that instead, she wandered up and down Beverley Road, sobbing, screaming, shouting and lying in the snow.

Im the first to admit I’m a total gobshite when I’m drunk
If you saw me you’d say I was carrying on in a very loud and confrontational way.
We all say what we think when drunk
I doubt she was screaming the way she’s been made out to be

 

[Cherwell]

Do we know if anyone has shown up to support PR? I thought I read they had not but was not sure if that was accurate. Is COVID preventing family from traveling?

I bloody well hope so.

 

[elliefant]

Rather than lying, I think it perhaps a mistake but much more likely it is probably losing something in translation/interpretation either in the current reporting or in the reporting at the time of the witnesses’ statements. Why would Saxby risk his career by lying, for PR? I don’t think he would.

 

[bos]

No they can't say anything. It is down to the Judge to redress anything that she feels is not correct during her final summing up.

Thanks Alyce, I constantly have to have someone discern reality from TV court rooms.

 

[ChiCubs2016]

The tarnishing of Libby's mental health has really upset me. But for a few crucial differences, we have similar histories. I had depression/self harm/suicide attempts before going to university. I self harmed whilst at uni and took several overdoses. From the age of 16 i also went out a lot with friends, and often ended up getting drunk and crying. I was that drunk girl you saw at clubs in the toilets sobbing. I lost count of the nights I did that, and the friends I lost from it. I have wandered the streets drunk and crying, asking people to lie down with me in the street.

I put myself in strange situations, where quite frankly I try not to think about, because it scares me what could have happened. If it had, it kills me to think that my past would have been brought up in this way. And it kills me to think that Libby is being blamed for PRs actions. It really isn't fair that her past has been brought up in this way.

Libby's friends sound lovely, and supportive of her, as do her family. If it upsets me to hear this, I can't imagine what they are going through, and it's so cruel that the defence are allowed to paint her in this way.

Thank you for sharing this very valuable perspective. You are very brave to be here reading all this as it must bring up bad memories. Again thank you.

 

[Newthoughts]

I still think she might have been trying to make her way back to the Welly.

Or to a takeaway. That's how many of my student nights ended.

 

[Officer Dibble]

One of my friends is a Prison Officer at Hull and he said PR didn’t bat an eyelid when told Libby’s body had been found.
His face remained exactly the same
No expression whatsoever

Maybe he expected it