UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 *ARREST* #18

[Newthoughts]

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Are they saying he drove down Clough Road then turned left on to Oak Road? Rather than down Beverley Road and right onto Beresford?

That wasn't clear to me either, but there isn't access right the way to the park if travelling along Oak Road via Clough Road in a car. There's several bollarded sections. Picking her up at around 12:03, followed by screams at around 12:14 doesn't fit that timeline.

I don't understand this bit at all. The obvious quickest way out of Haworth to the park looks to be left on to Cottingham then left on to Beverley and right into Wellesley if taking her home or right onto Beresford to get to Oak Road the fastest way. The other option is to avoid Beverley and go straight onto clough road and then the back bit of Oak Road, which you say is bollarded off.

Yet there wording is 'instead of turning left into Wellesley he continued to Oak Road. That would suggest he'd turned right onto Cottingham and traversed round to enter Beverley above Wellesley road which is bizarre. The other thing is that they say he was picked up by a yeast factory entering the park with Libby and leaving alone. There is a yeast factory, Mauri Products, but it's on Stockholm road the other side of the he park and the river.

Does this make any sense to you locals? Are there other ways of getting into the park quickly if parked somewhere else on Oak Road? Would cctv on Stockholm road pick up people entering or leaving the park?

 

[Cherwell]

There are 'Street Angels' organisations in Hull, but not operating around that area. They are in the city centre.

Thanks. Yes, I suppose they would be where the clubs are.

 

[Miss_French]

Thanks. Yes, I suppose they would be where the clubs are.

I suppose it's down to numbers of volunteers and where they think they can help the most. You would think there are more people end up on their own in the town centre and it's more likely that groups of students on a night out in their locale would stick together.

 

[Mommysleuth11]

I assume, its just bad reporting. Logic dictates its most likely beresford ave/wellesley ave then onto oak Road from that end. I don't think the access and timings fit any other way, particularly not clough road way.

Is it possible the yeast factory cctv picked him up from across the river? Whilst he was on oak road side? Although if any I would have thought the bigger industrial unit with silos and lights the closer more likely choice if this were the case. To have gone all the way to Sutton fields (malmo road) is an awful long way round and there is no access back to oak road without a 5/10 minute drive.

 

[Eyes Wide Open]

Hi @ Newthoughts
To me its simply an error. The route taken would be left into Cottingham Rd - left into Beverley Rd - right into Beresford Ave - (No Left Turn Taken Into Wellesley Ave) - right into Oak Road.
The shortest route to her home would have been Cottingham Rd - Beverley Rd - Beresford Ave - Left into Wellesley Avenue which is the left turn not taken.
The CCTV at AB Mauri must be 400 plus yards away. Not sure about tree blockages. It amazes me too but we're likely to find out soon enough!

 

[Skigh]

Given the amount of snow that has fallen and freezing temperatures overnight,I have a feeling the court will be closed tomorrow.

 

[jamjim]

Given the amount of snow that has fallen and freezing temperatures overnight,I have a feeling the court will be closed tomorrow.

Me too Skigh. I reckon it'll continue on Monday.

 

[Newthoughts]

Thanks @Eyes Wide Open and @Mommysleuth11 that does make more sense and certainly quickest.

 

[Eyes Wide Open]

What also strikes me is the 02:25 visit to the park for only 4 minutes. Would that be long enough to run to the river and back to deposit her body. Yes the tide was heading towards its highest about then and much deeper than at midnight but is it enough time. Otherwise maybe he was recovering something. Finally I've revisited the Croda CCTV in which the two men are seen at 02:30 so would have been around the park entrance at almost exactly the same time as PR was alleged to be there!

 

[PitchforkRed]

I'm a longtime lurker on the Libby threads. The case seemed to really strike a chord with me, being quite local to the area. I have really enjoyed all your input and reading your extremely insightful comments. I just wanted to add a bit of info my husband told me last night as I was reading him the trial details. He is a psychologist so I was interested in his opinion on PR. One of the things which has upset me most was the guy who heard the screams/witnessed PR running back from the playing fields. Why didn't he phone the police? I can only surmise he was used to hearing noises like that...I remember at the time people on here were speculating about fox noises? My husband told me to look up Kitty Genovese, whose murder (or rather the inactions of the witnesses) is covered on pretty much every psychology course. It gave rise to the 'bystander effect' phenomena. Quite an interesting case.

Hoping the trial can continue tomorrow but looking doubtful at present with below-zero temperatures here in Sheffield tonight so much of the snow will probably remain. There's another warning in place for heavy snow on Saturday too. They might just sack it off until Monday but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Newthoughts]

Given the amount of snow that has fallen and freezing temperatures overnight,I have a feeling the court will be closed tomorrow.

Poor parents - first covid now snow getting in the way of closing this part of this horror.

 

[Cherwell]

To me its simply an error. The route taken would be left into Cottingham Rd - left into Beverley Rd - right into Beresford Ave - (No Left Turn Taken Into Wellesley Ave) - right into Oak Road.
The shortest route to her home would have been Cottingham Rd - Beverley Rd - Beresford Ave - Left into Wellesley Avenue which is the left turn not taken.

I agree. I thought this at the time it was being reported.

Instead of turning left from Beverley Road to Wellesley Avenue, where Libby lived, Mr Wright says Relowicz can be seen on CCTV footage driving down Oak Road to Oak Road Playing Fields.

They meant to say Beresford Avenue instead of Beverley Road. Easily done as both begin "Be". Probably predictive text to blame there.

 

[JosieJo]

The timing also worries me ...7.5 mins ... I have marked a rough 150m from the houses (???? Where screams came from) then the final distance to the water edge
Can anyone tell me if my starting point is approx correct?

 

[kate2931]

I find that quote that she never thought i would have her for the rest of our lives really poignant. How desperately sad that a young woman who had experienced personal struggles had her life taken away just as things looked like they were improving for her and she was building a future.

This has broken me more than anything we’ve come to know about Libby and what happened these past two years. Libby, like anyone else who suffers with their mental health, are some of the strongest people on earth, unfortunately they rarely feel it. Libby had already achieved so much by heading off to uni, I know mum was scared that one day the demons may win BUT that creature did not even let Libby have the chance to try.

I think it’s apparent now that the defence will be bringing up Libby’s mental health history, the attempts and self harm so that they can say Libby decided to place herself in the river.

it’s going to be awful, untrue, degrading and hard to read for myself and others.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

timing was tight but he stabbed her .it is quite fast death ,sometimes one stab is enough to kill someone
in Libby case she didn't have any visible injury
he had 7 and half minutes to walk with her to suitable location, undress her ,undress himself (fighting with her) , rape her, kill her (suffocate?),and run back to car ...
really? sound very strange for me very tight
if she would have broken bones in her scull or throat or stabbing wounds fine I would accept it could happened pretty quick but it is not the case in this case

Has it been reported that he undressed Libby and himself?

 

[JosieJo]

The timing also worries me ...7.5 mins ... I have marked a rough 150m from the houses (???? Where screams came from) then the final distance to the water edge
Can anyone tell me if my starting point is approx correct?

If this is roughly correct ...if say a minimum of 1.5 minutes to get her to the 150m spot ...even if he raped and killed her in a very tight time of say 2.5 minutes...how has he managed to drag someone unresponsive another 160 m put her in water and run back to car in 3.5 min ?

This is presuming he moved her rather than moving her on his 3rd vist ..I do not think it any more possible he ran to her and moved her and ran back in 4 min either

 

[wilkela]

How could you rape someone if you and them would have underwear on (someone who was fighting with you)
I'm not saying they both was completely naked but he must remove her pants and open his zip or pull trousers, I guess it is not easy if you fight with someone it all would take more than 7.5 min
The same with his return
It seems strange he was able find her and move her to the water in 4 min in darkness
Just sound really strange for me
I know most of people on this thread haven't got doubts he is guilty but I would like to postpone my verdict for now

 

[Newthoughts]

This has broken me more than anything we’ve come to know about Libby and what happened these past two years. Libby, like anyone else who suffers with their mental health, are some of the strongest people on earth, unfortunately they rarely feel it. Libby had already achieved so much by heading off to uni, I know mum was scared that one day the demons may win BUT that creature did not even let Libby have the chance to try.

I think it’s apparent now that the defence will be bringing up Libby’s mental health history, the attempts and self harm so that they can say Libby decided to place herself in the river.

it’s going to be awful, untrue, degrading and hard to read for myself and others.

I've been a teacher for years some kids do have a tricky adolescence with self harm and eating disorders and suicide attempts that are cries for help and many, not all by any means, do move out of it when they move on to a different environment where they are happier. Where they find a niche.

It sounded to me like she had finally found her niche - like she was loving uni more than perhaps school. She had a loving relationship. She was enjoying learning. She had new friends.

From her mum and boyfriend it sounds like she'd just found her place in the world and was looking forward. Stupid things about it make me sad. That she never got to learn more or get excited about her final year dissertation or graduate or start her career or family. Her mum will never have her graduation photo or wedding photo.

All cos some evil little piece of @#$# couldn't control his urges. I hope she gets justice and he never sees the outside of a prison again.

 

[Newthoughts]

How could you rape someone if you and them would have underwear on (someone who was fighting with you)
I'm not saying they both was completely naked but he must remove her pants and open his zip or pull trousers, I guess it is not easy if you fight with someone it all would take more than 7.5 min
The same with his return
It seems strange he was able find her and move her to the water in 4 min in darkness
Just sound really strange for me
I know most of people on this thread haven't got doubts he is guilty but I would like to postpone my verdict for now

The physical evidence of rape is there along with his new claim that it happened in the park so he's clearly guilty of rape in that time frame. She's highly unlikely to have drowned so clearly he's guilty of more if she ended up in water.

His past convictions show he's a pervert who gets off on fear.

 

[Vera_dci]

Apologies you are right, depression wasn't mentioned. I think I've assumed that was the reason and thought of it as fact. Sorry for the confusion.