UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 *ARREST* #18

[JosieJo]

354.9 metres from oak road to the river. Over 700 metres there and back - presuming this refers to the most direct route. Is there a pathway? 354.9 metres guiding, dragging, fighting, carrying...... in the dark, in the snow, if a footpath may have been icy too - I know they will spend more time analysing this time frame and it become clearer but it really is very puzzling.

Another thought: I don’t think we can take anything he says for truth, especially where the rape took place.

At 354m quoted that seems to equate to roughly using the paths ...presumably because there are only certain spots you can easily get through the bushes/ trees to riverside

Average walking speed of 1.4m a second takes 4 minutes to walk from oak rd to river i think

 

[HopeForGoodNews]

But if it was hypothermia - how did she end up in the river?

Possibly that he raped her and left her still alive but when he went back found her still there habing died from hypothermia and put her in the river believing he had killed her. No idea really and just a though but there are so many of them in my head at the moment

 

[HopeForGoodNews]

Im from Hull, only a couple of miles away from the park but have never been. It would be interesting if anyone knows the area whether the yeast factory can be seen from the park bench the police focussed on. It looks like a lot of dense trees from the satelite image suggesting it picked them up nearer the water

 

[Stumpyaura]

Every twisted act committed by sexual predator Pawel Relowicz

I've just been refamilarising myself with the details of his offences and the extra details really do paint a very sinister picture of his behaviour and intent. He does not run off when spotted, the leaving of trophies and in one case going back to a victim several times. He definitely was escalating his behaviour and it reading it is desperately sad to know that it was almost inevitable he would go further.

 

[Marulinka]

"I never thought i would have her for the rest of our lives".
A mother's instincts are so powerful.

This is so sad she felt s

Possibly that he raped her and left her still alive but when he went back found her still there habing died from hypothermia and put her in the river believing he had killed her. No idea really and just a though but there are so many of them in my head at the moment

Very much possible. I think if proven this scenario would still amount to murder because he got her in that situation/place and then left her behind unassisted unable to fend for herself. So he should have reasonably expected that she would not make it in those temperatures. Sorry I dont mean to sound heartless. Just stating facts

 

[Stumpyaura]

Does anyone remember where in Oak Park playing fields the police focussed their search on a particular bench? I've tried finding it via a Google search but no success.

 

[Newthoughts]

Further to my last comment - I am thinking the fact that he returned to, one can assume, the scene/ where he left her and the time frame was 4 minutes - to go there and back to the car - it could be reasonable to assume on that 3rd occasion he took under 2 minutes to get to the ‘spot’ and under 2 minutes to get back to the car.

Again, it would have been dark etc which does hinder somewhat.

If it can be proved that the attack took place in the park (maybe this taking a wee has something to do with this too) then I think they are looking at it happening under 2 minutes into the park. It’s a better fit with the timings of 7 and a half minutes - it just seems to make more sense. There has to be a reason for this 3rd visit to the park. Hopefully he will give us some clues in his testimony.

unfortunately, it suggests that he did not put her in the river.

edited by me for clarity

So if he didn't how did it happen?

At 354m quoted that seems to equate to roughly using the paths ...presumably because there are only certain spots you can easily get through the bushes/ trees to riverside

Average walking speed of 1.4m a second takes 4 minutes to walk from oak rd to river i think

But he was running away from the river when seen and the prosecution calculated that as faster. He was reportedly fit and quite strong and she was very vulnerable and quite slender. I can see any other explanation that suits the evidence

 

[Vera_dci]

Police arrest man, 24, over disappearance of Libby Squire, 21 | Daily Mail Online


IMO: Picture from above article. I think this gives us a good indication about the park area which is of significance.

 

[Newthoughts]

Possibly that he raped her and left her still alive but when he went back found her still there habing died from hypothermia and put her in the river believing he had killed her. No idea really and just a though but there are so many of them in my head at the moment

But there were no post mortem signs to suggest that she had died from hypothermia. Tho that doesn't preclude it totally it makes it far less likely. The signs were not typical of drowning which again doesn't preclude it but makes it less likely. If both of those are less likely - asphyxiation is more likely.

Even then he still had to put her in the river.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Im from Hull, only a couple of miles away from the park but have never been. It would be interesting if anyone knows the area whether the yeast factory can be seen from the park bench the police focussed on. It looks like a lot of dense trees from the satelite image suggesting it picked them up nearer the water

Sounds like you need to take a walk over there, do some “boots on the ground” sleuthing for us!

 

[Marulinka]

The witness living by the park who actually woke up and heard the cries said they were loud, franctic and if I am correct they moved location until it all went quiet. Then few minutes later a man (presumably PR) emerged running from the woods out of park...

So that tells us that out of the 7min30sec that PR spent in the park before PR returning to his vehicle, Libby must have been alive up till the last few minutes before he returns to car...also that she was not stationary in one spot but rather moved/run/being carried whilst screaming

Few scenarios are possible...

He carried her towards river whilst she screamed (he most probably scouted suitable locations in advance so he would know where he wannted them to go) then raped her and left her for dead or asfyxiated her in the proces then either threw her in the river or returned on his later visit to do that (the body would be placed very close to river so he would manage in 4minutes)

Or he raped her in the park and she run away from him whilst screaming..then he left her behind and run out of park and returned to his car...Libby would then fell into river herself (not totally excluded) or she dies from hypotermia or trips and falls unconscious and then dies of hypotermia...again patologist did not exclude that completely but it is more unlikely given post mortem did not show signs of dying from hypothermia. Also if he just raped her and then left her in the park why would he wait to run away only after the screams went quiet??? Why not just run away as soon as he can...to me he knows why she stopped screaming. Only after that he emerges from the park (probably knowing that she is not going to alert anyone anymore).

So what makes her stop screaming in that park few minutes before PR emerges from the woods? Whatever it was he was still there when it happened...

Im sorry im thinking out loud as I type

 

[Sooty]

I think we will hear more analysis about the post mortem - it will be very difficult as the body was in a poor state after being in the water so long.

I know it’s uncomfortable but I am going from the basis ( for the murder charge) of needing to prove guilt, rather than having to prove innocence. He does not have prior convictions (of murder, or even of rape) to be certain of a pattern of behaviour.

the fact that she was suffering from alcohol, hypothermic, and in great distress will point to a very real possibility of misadventure (for ultimate cause) for the defence. MOO

 

[Sally4x]

I think he killed her during or after the rape and then went home and was worried about her body being found and being linked to him, so went back to the park and put her in the river.

 

[Newthoughts]

Police arrest man, 24, over disappearance of Libby Squire, 21 | Daily Mail Online


IMO: Picture from above article. I think this gives us a good indication about the park area which is of significance.

The yeast factory is just the other side of the park and river at the very top of the bend shown. There is a sight line to the exit of the park but it looks like there are trees in the way and it would have to be good CCTV.

But you could also argue that there is a clearer sight line to what looks like the derelict buildings on the map and what looks like a path to and from that. So it depends which bit they're referring to and where they've located the screams

 

[Vermont24]

Im from Hull, only a couple of miles away from the park but have never been. It would be interesting if anyone knows the area whether the yeast factory can be seen from the park bench the police focussed on. It looks like a lot of dense trees from the satelite image suggesting it picked them up nearer the water

Sounds like you need to take a walk over there, do some “boots on the ground” sleuthing for us!

Very unlikely that CCTV from the opposite side of the river would pick up much of anything in the park. There's a treeline along the bank, which is fairly dense even in winter, and the bank of the river is reached via a slope up from the park. I imagine that any footage shows activity nearby the river only.

 

[Marulinka]

Sounds like you need to take a walk over there, do some “boots on the ground” sleuthing for us!

Yes please!

I think he killed her during or after the rape and then went home and was worried about her body being found and being linked to him, so went back to the park and put her in the river.

His actions after presumably having killed her do not indicate he was worried at all though...the site visit, the street masturbation all within hours after having returned from the park..? I wonder if he didnt return there rather to re-live the excitement from what happened. He does strike me as that type of individual

 

[Marulinka]

Very unlikely that CCTV from the opposite side of the river would pick up much of anything in the park. There's a treeline along the bank, which is fairly dense even in winter, and the bank of the river is reached via a slope up from the park. I imagine that any footage shows activity nearby the river only.

What in your opinion was the CCTV feom the yeast factory actually able to pick up? PR and Libby somewhere on the opossite riverbank?

 

[Vermont24]

What in your opinion was the CCTV feom the yeast factory actually able to pick up? PR and Libby somewhere on the opossite riverbank?

Yeah, I'd very much echo what @Newthoughts said here.

 

[Mommysleuth11]

Going back to the Endsleigh centre, I have a small feeling that perhaps Libby needed a wee? She had been out for some time having consumed enough alcohol to near on incapacitate her, at some point she would surely need to relieve herself? Haven't we all ducked around a corner or behind a bush to pee in drink? Going behind the wall would shield her from the main road, maybe she told him "I need to pee" and he said he would keep a look out. Again it doesn't give timescales just says "some time" but given his whole time away from the car was just 6 minutes?, that 1st time it can't have been all that long.

 

[PitchforkRed]

One other thing I can't get my head around...after what he did to Libby in the park, he then not only goes and masturbates in the street, but leaves the condom?! I know he has left 'calling cards' before, but he has now possibly just committed the most heinous of crimes, and then leaves a condom full of his DNA in the middle of a street in Hull. From the way it has been described, it seems the condom was found actually on the street by a resident, and not disposed of down a drain/grate. Didn't use a condom with Libby but uses one to masturbate into and leaves it in the street? It's such a dichotomy that he has tried to deny everything, but at the same time leaves evidence like that so brazenly. I will be interested to hear any psychological profiling that has been done on him.