Found Deceased UK - Lindsay Birbeck, 47, Accrington, 12 Aug 2019 *Arrest* #2

[Ann Blyth]

anything been mentioned about where this clean recycling bin may have originated from?

You would have thought someone would have said they were missing their recycling bin, people are territorial over them round my way!

 

[MusicalMonkey]

I was trying to find the court number for the case:

From today's listed cases

https://www.thelawpages.com/court-hearings-lists/Preston-Crown-Court.php

The only one listed without a defendant's name says it was in court number 1, BUT is listed as Preston (Sessions House) - [NOT Preston Crown Court] and also says that the hearing finished at 12:14. So it probably isn't that one.

Does anyone with any Court experience know a reason why the case possibly isn't listed?

 

[Ann Blyth]

I was trying to find the court number for the case:

From today's listed cases

https://www.thelawpages.com/court-hearings-lists/Preston-Crown-Court.php

The only one listed without a defendant's name says it was in court number 1, BUT is listed as Preston (Sessions House) - [NOT Preston Crown Court] and also says that the hearing finished at 12:14. So it probably isn't that one.

Does anyone with any Court experience know a reason why the case possibly isn't listed?

Have messaged you with what I believe is the correct indictment / case number, shows his name as well, hence private message.

 

[jamjim]

I was trying to find the court number for the case:

From today's listed cases

https://www.thelawpages.com/court-hearings-lists/Preston-Crown-Court.php

The only one listed without a defendant's name says it was in court number 1, BUT is listed as Preston (Sessions House) - [NOT Preston Crown Court] and also says that the hearing finished at 12:14. So it probably isn't that one.

Does anyone with any Court experience know a reason why the case possibly isn't listed?

Have messaged you with what I believe is the correct indictment / case number, shows his name as well, hence private message.

I've done the same @MusicalMonkey but @Ann Blyth was quicker than me

 

[Ann Blyth]

I've done the same @MusicalMonkey but @Ann Blyth was quicker than me

Very unusual for me to be quicker than anyone else!

 

[Doris777]

anything been mentioned about where this clean recycling bin may have originated from?

He's probably picked it up from somewhere on his travels.

 

[Ann Blyth]

He's probably picked it up from somewhere on his travels.

But you would have thought someone is missing their bin, wouldn’t you? Unless they have just phoned the council for a replacement and haven’t realised the significance of their bin suddenly going missing. Just IMO.

 

[Doris777]

But you would have thought someone is missing their bin, wouldn’t you? Unless they have just phoned the council for a replacement and haven’t realised the significance of their bin suddenly going missing. Just IMO.

M

Most people will just ring for a new one. It's the way it works around Accrington. U would just think it was stolen or broken. It's what usually happens. Definitely wouldn't think it was used for a murder.

 

[LancashireLad]

Hi all, long time no speak.

I don’t know about anyone else but it seems like the prosecution are doing a good job of creating elements of doubt themselves. Most people I’ve been speaking to, particularly women, who are following this case now don’t think he carried out the murder. And that’s just off the back of the prosecution.
(I don’t personally share that view but there’s definitely more to it)

Regarding his (defendant) 2 hour journey to his “accommodation” each afternoon I believe Preston to say West Yorkshire takes around that time.

JMO

 

[Ann Blyth]

Definitely at least one defendant short in the stand, I think, just IMO.

 

[Rosegold68]

oh my god they have messed up again!!!

 

[Mommysleuth11]

im still reeling from the revelation that a dog and handler searched for 1 hour in the immediate vacinity she alledgedly lain, and didnt see her. Im struggling to imagine that that is remotely possible.

Nothing in todays evidence had indicated his guilt of murder IMO probably the contrary.

 

[LancashireLad]

im still reeling from the revelation that a dog and handler searched for 1 hour in the immediate vacinity she alledgedly lain, and didnt see her. Im struggling to imagine that that is remotely possible.

Nothing in todays evidence had indicated his guilt of murder IMO probably the contrary.

Seems impossible, the amount of searches that went on around the Coppice area including the cemetery and for her to be there and not to have been found does seem very unlikely. The cemetery isn’t overly large and that is the area you’d head to first if your looking for a body/evidence. Unless of course she wasn’t there all that time

 

[Mommysleuth11]

Seems impossible, the amount of searches that went on around the Coppice area including the cemetery and for her to be there and not to have been found does seem very unlikely. The cemetery isn’t overly large and that is the area you’d head to first if your looking for a body/evidence. Unless of course she wasn’t there all that time

I dont think its possible she was, a police dog within 6 metres and a thorough 1 hour search only of that particular area. I cant see it, i really cant. Especially given a member of the public and dog seemingly stumbled across her a few days later.

It really doesnt add up.

 

[MusicalMonkey]

Good point!


Could the defendant not have took the bags when her returned to the body hours later ? In his rucksack

Yes. Personally I do think the plastic bags/sheeting were in the rucksack, along with other things he used to 'get rid of the body' and I believe they were at some stage bought by the defendant or at least someone known to him - possibly family - (not necessarily for the purpose of disposing of a body though) and stored in the outhouse at some stage.

In the message you quoted. I was trying to guess where the defence was coming from regarding the 'hooded man' and how that could possibly explain the 'plastic sheets in the outhouse'. Even though it sounds far-fetched and can be blown away with the lack of any 'sightings' or CCTV footage of the stranger.

 

[Niner]

Wow, fame at last Niner, I was apparently named after a famous movie star by my mum and dad!

You did not know??!! Yes, a famous movie star back in the day!

 

[MusicalMonkey]

I dont think its possible she was, a police dog within 6 metres and a thorough 1 hour search only of that particular area. I cant see it, i really cant. Especially given a member of the public and dog seemingly stumbled across her a few days later.

It really doesnt add up.

I am in 100% agreement. I know that there are many many many cases of bungled police operations, but this seems just far too amazingly incompetent even going by those standards.

I've never seen or smelt a dead body in any form. But from what I know, it must smell horrific and depressingly this is too often reported in the papers when someone lonely dies at home; "The first time anyone noticed was the smell", which of course penetrates windows and even walls and travels many metres.

So that coupled with the fact that a dog's smell is approximately 40 times more sensitive than a human and the addition that it was presumably a trained police 'sniffer dog' with handler that couldn't find a rotting corpse several metres away. It's seriously defies belief.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

I am in 100% agreement. I know that there are many many many cases of bungled police operations, but this seems just far too amazingly incompetent even going by those standards.

I've never seen or smelt a dead body in any form. But from what I know, it must smell horrific and depressingly this is too often reported in the papers when someone lonely dies at home; "The first time anyone noticed was the smell", which of course penetrates windows and even walls and travels many metres.

So that coupled with the fact that a dog's smell is approximately 40 times more sensitive than a human and the addition that it was presumably a trained police 'sniffer dog' with handler that couldn't find a rotting corpse several metres away. It's seriously defies belief.

I don't know how the dog, handler, or searchers missed finding her. But it might have to do with the plastic. The smells could have been hidden by the plastic and not detected until later when the decomposition was much more advanced, and/or perhaps the plastic was ripped away by animals or something.

I was an EMT years ago and yes the smell of decomposition is unmistakable. But I know body bags can somewhat shield the smell. Maybe something like that happened here with the plastic he used. I don't really know.

 

[Bampot]

Could someone give us some info about pathology evidence as this is what we are expecting tomorrow ?

 

[LucyRocket]

So - I see they do not actually call witnesses, but have the pros or detective read their statements. Weird? Does the Defense get to question the statements?

Where a statement is agreed by both the prosecution and defence it is just read out as a statement of fact. No point having multiple witnesses in when their statement doesn't need challenging, and doesn't warrant further explanation