Found Deceased UK - Lindsay Birbeck, 47, Accrington, 12 Aug 2019 *Arrest* #2

[jamjim]

12:09
'Stamping, kicking or kneeling on the neck'
Dr Carter said: “It suggests to me some sort of severe compressive force directed at the neck, either through stamping or kicking of kneeling on the front of the neck.”

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[jamjim]

12:11
'Sexual activity not excluded'
Dr Naomi Carter said due to the level of decomposition of Lindsay Birbeck’s body a ‘lack of injuries would not exclude the possibility of sexual activity’.

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[LancashireLad]

I’m not sure what you are referring to here...??

A lot of info that has come to light during the trial so far was speculated locally at the time. Off the top of my head I can’t remember all of them but things like attempting to cut off a limb, learning difficulties/autism, there was an audio recording of the unfortunate chap who found the body that matches what’s been revealed, a recording of the defendant appearing out of bushes near Burnley road etc

Many more that are probably just that; unfounded rumours. Time will tell

 

[jamjim]

12:13
Saw used to try and cut off her leg
Dr Carter told the jury that the attempt to cut off Lindsay’s leg after her death could have been made by a saw.

She said: “You could teeth marks of the saw in the skin.”

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[jamjim]

12:15
Smothering not ruled out
Dr Naomi Carter said: “I cannot exclude the possibility Ms Birbeck may have been smothered.”

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[Bampot]

DAY FOUR: Lindsay Birbeck trial continues. Witnesses to take the stand
12:14pm
"She died close to when she was reported missing due to the state of her body.

"There were no stab wounds and no evidence of significant head injuries.

"There were no fractures of the ribs which had been sustained before death.

12:11pm
"The deep purple-ish colour to the body and overall state is in keeping with Mrs Birbeck having died shortly after the time she is reported to have gone missing.

"There was a post mortem interval of approximately 12 days.

"The state of decomposition suggests she had been dead for at least several days.

 

[Blondiexoxo]

The neck had ‘gone off’ more than the rest of the body..
Maybe it’s just me but I find this particular phrasing very gruesome and unnecessary, plus obviously horrific for the family to hear about their loved one. ‘Decomposed’ or ‘more decomposed than the rest of the body’ surely would have been better wording here. There are family members listening to this. ‘Gone off’ is not very professional wording imo, surely the jury and people present know the meaning of the word ‘decomposed’. I don’t know, this just stood out to me as a strange way to put her point across. MOO

 

[Rosegold68]

i'm thinking she was placed head first in the bin and limbs then protruded hence the saw use. this is vile

also, it did say upper body was in further state of decomposer than lower. this is what i think anyway

 

[Bampot]

DAY FOUR: Lindsay Birbeck trial continues. Witnesses to take the stand

12:18pm
"The crushing of the larynx is of great significance.

"In my view there was gross disruption of the neck structure.

"It's unclear if strangulation has occurred, as the neck was crushed.

"But this suggests to me that there was some severe fracture of the neck through stamping or kicking or kneeling on the front of the neck.

"But I can't exclude some stragulation.

"There's nothing to suggest ligature marks on her neck.

 

[Rosegold68]

'gone off' isn't referring to what we call food on the turn/gone off

the gone off is in reference to speed of decomposition.

 

[jamjim]

12:20
Cross examination from defence barrister
Defence barrister Mark Fenhalls QC is now cross-examining Dr Naomi Carter.

Dr Carter said she could not date the bruising on Lindsay’s neck.

The jury were told that it could have happened ‘moments before death or days before death’.

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[The Truth Is]

i'm thinking she was placed head first in the bin and limbs then protruded hence the saw use. this is vile

also, it did say upper body was in further state of decomposer than lower. this is what i think anyway

Im thinking this and that the neck damage was possibly due to being forced into the bin, rather than the actual cause of death, i suspect strangulation

 

[Kaykedi]

The neck had ‘gone off’ more than the rest of the body..
Maybe it’s just me but I find this particular phrasing very gruesome and unnecessary, plus obviously horrific for the family to hear about their loved one. ‘Decomposed’ or ‘more decomposed than the rest of the body’ surely would have been better wording here. There are family members listening to this. ‘Gone off’ is not very professional wording imo, surely the jury and people present know the meaning of the word ‘decomposed’. I don’t know, this just stood out to me as a strange way to put her point across. MOO

I'm with you, awful way to put it. Even if she had said decayed

 

[Bampot]

DAY FOUR: Lindsay Birbeck trial continues. Witnesses to take the stand
12:21pm
Dr Carter added: "I have never seen such extensive crushing damage to the larynx through manual strangulation in 25 years.

"I have never seen compression with this sort of damage to the neck in 25 years.

 

[jamjim]

12:23
Cause of neck injuries not more specific
Asking Dr Carter about the neck injuries, the defence barrister said: “You don’t know if it’s a consequence of kneeling or stamping or what?”

Dr Carter said the neck injuries were caused by ‘severe compressive force’ couldn’t be more definitive.

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[Bampot]

DAY FOUR: Lindsay Birbeck trial continues. Witnesses to take the stand
12:23pm
"I am not able to disclude that she had been smothered but decomposition of her body would make that difficult to find that anyway.

"The severe damage to the internal neck structure provides compelling reason to say why she died when she died."

 

[jamjim]

12:25
Dr Naomi Carter evidence concluded

Dr Naomi Carter has now left the witness box after the conclusion of her cross examination.

The jury are now being taken through more agreed facts.

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[Legally Bland]

Im thinking this and that the neck damage was possibly due to being forced into the bin, rather than the actual cause of death, i suspect strangulation

Dr Carter said in her view the neck injuries were made ‘ante-mortem’ - before Lindsay’s death.

This is due to the different levels of decomposition.

 

[Alyce]

So - briefly - she seems to be saying that LB could have been strangled or she could have been smothered ?

So, if LB were smothered, rather than strangled - then is it possible that at least some of the neck damage was caused by her body being placed, head first, into the bin - and then some measure of force being used to try to make the body fit, which would cause further injury.
Even though, the pathologist says that the neck injuries were all pre death, I do wonder if it is possible that some of the more severe damage was caused post death and, due to the decomposition of the body, the neck injuries were so mixed together that it was not 100% possible to say that some were caused post mortem.

 

[jamjim]

12:29
Forensic botanist evidence

The jury are now hearing evidence from forensic botanist Dr Mark Spencer who attended Accrington Cemetery on August 28 - four days after Lindsay’s body was found - and examined her grave.

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