Found Deceased UK - Lindsay Birbeck, 47, Accrington, 12 Aug 2019 *Arrest* #2

[Mind your biscuits]

.DBM

IF there was a man that asked him to move a body for him, he'll know him. MOO

He must know him really well, since he went to the defendants home and helped himself to plastic bags. Moo

 

[Bampot]

The defendant gave his prepared statement on second day of questioning? Before charge?
So the police are/were fully aware of his defence. I didnt do it, but i moved the body. Yet they have went for single charge of murder. This speaks volumes to me. And there is lots more concrete evidence to come.

 

[Kaykedi]

.DBM

He must know him really well, since he went to the defendants home and helped himself to plastic bags. Moo

I was thinking the man asked the defendant to the deed, the defendant said yes, I'll do it, and, went to his own home to get the plastic bags

 

[Mommysleuth11]

Tonight im back to thinking maybe his defence isnt so crazy.
Except, the stranger wasnt a stranger. Careful to give absolutely no discription barring white, english, male.
Whether he killed her or not he has been schooled in what to say, has to have been. I dont think a neuro typical 16 year old could hold all that together and come up with such a story.
Spidey senses twitching all over, something seems way off for me. MOO

 

[Kaykedi]

Tonight im back to thinking maybe his defence isnt so crazy.
Except, the stranger wasnt a stranger. Careful to give absolutely no discription barring white, english, male.
Whether he killed her or not he has been schooled in what to say, has to have been. I dont think a neuro typical 16 year old could hold all that together and come up with such a story.
Spidey senses twitching all over, something seems way off for me. MOO

I hear you. Stranger things have happened at sea.

 

[Tortoise]

I'd like to know if statements are in the defendant's own words, or if they are put together by a lawyer using the defendant's answers to questions - such as - was the man white? - yes. etc. Would the lawyer know if it was written by a visitor for the defendant? IMO there are a few things in that script that don't sound like the words of an average 16 year old, let alone someone with a low IQ. Was it this case where they mentioned a low-IQ? I'm following too many cases atm.

 

[MusicalMonkey]

Did any locals attend the court hearing?

I know this was referring to the initial court appearance last year. But does anyone know if a member of the public can attend the current trial? I believe it's at the Crown Court in Preston.

I'm mainly interested in the forensic, pathology side of things. But out of curiosity I'm also interested in seeing the defence solicitor (lawyer) as that story about the Mysteriously Vanishing Hooded Man is something else.

 

[MusicalMonkey]

.DBM

He must know him really well, since he went to the defendants home and helped himself to plastic bags. Moo

Indeed. And if it was a man he didn't know (quote from statement: "I have not met this man before. I have not met him since nor have I had any contact with him") then how did he happen to know where the defendant lived? If he was some kind of 'mysterious stalker', unless we are talking in the realms of demons and fantasy, then why is there no CCTV footage of the hooded man making his way to or from the defendants home (outhouse) at any stage?

How else could the plastic bags/sheeting in the defendants outhouse be explained away if it was indeed all the fault of the hooded man?

There's one big mass grave sized hole in the solicitor's fable right there.

 

[Kaykedi]

I know this was referring to the initial court appearance last year. But does anyone know if a member of the public can attend the current trial? I believe it's at the Crown Court in Preston.

I'm mainly interested in the forensic, pathology side of things. But out of curiosity I'm also interested in seeing the defence solicitor (lawyer) as that story about the Mysteriously Vanishing Hooded Man is something else.

Yes, you can attend as it's open court. Seats on a first come first served basis

 

[MusicalMonkey]

Yes, you can attend as it's open court. Seats on a first come first served basis

Have you been before?

Is there some kind of queueing system?

Also on a related matter. Do you know is any way of finding out which people will appear to give evidence? Or is that something that only the Judges and jury etc. will know. I want to know when the pathologist might be in court and also the forensic botanist.

I have a free day on Friday so might be able to go then.

 

[MusicalMonkey]

See I thought this about the disability. Which I do understand. Because I no that if it was one of us we would never even think that is normal for some random to come up to u and say hide a body for me will u...so I do understand for someone with a learning disorder that they wouldn't understand the severity of the situation. Only thing is I wonder if it's just an excuse and there looking for a way out...? My opinion of course

Let's say the 'Hooded Man' is real for a minute:

The other side of the coin is that if you had just killed someone you certainly wouldn't go up to a random person and ask them to 'hide a body'.

If you knew they had some kind of 'intellectual disability' that you could take advantage of you might. That would of course imply that the 'the hooded man' knew (or knew of) the defendant.

 

[Kaykedi]

Have you been before?

Is there some kind of queueing system?

Also on a related matter. Do you know is any way of finding out which people will appear to give evidence? Or is that something that only the Judges and jury etc. will know. I want to know when the pathologist might be in court and also the forensic botanist.

I have a free day on Friday so might be able to go then.

No, I've never been, but I read it's an open court. People just say get there really early. I imagine now that more detail is coming out at the trial that it's going to be busy. I've no idea if they have a queuing system in place. I don't know who will take the stand on which day

 

[Kaykedi]

Let's say the 'Hooded Man' is real for a minute:

The other side of the coin is that if you had just killed someone you certainly wouldn't go up to a random person and ask them to 'hide a body'.

If you knew they had some kind of 'intellectual disability' that you could take advantage of you might. That would of course imply that the 'the hooded man' previously knew (or knew of) the defendant.

No way on this earth did a stranger approach him and ask him to move a body. If anyone did ask him to do that, they knew each other. Accrington is a bit of a 'strange town', I live here, but, there's strange, and, there's strange!

 

[Kaykedi]

I was thinking the man asked the defendant to do the deed, the defendant said yes, I'll do it, and, went to his own home to get the plastic bags

 

[Doris777]

I know this was referring to the initial court appearance last year. But does anyone know if a member of the public can attend the current trial? I believe it's at the Crown Court in Preston.

I'm mainly interested in the forensic, pathology side of things. But out of curiosity I'm also interested in seeing the defence solicitor (lawyer) as that story about the Mysteriously Vanishing Hooded Man is something else.

U can go to the public gallery for the trial. It's an open court

 

[Doris777]

I know this was referring to the initial court appearance last year. But does anyone know if a member of the public can attend the current trial? I believe it's at the Crown Court in Preston.

I'm mainly interested in the forensic, pathology side of things. But out of curiosity I'm also interested in seeing the defence solicitor (lawyer) as that story about the Mysteriously Vanishing Hooded Man is something else.

I'm not sure if I'm aloud to give newspaper names or not but there are 2 papers following it minute by minute and posting updates. One yesterday was on about the botonist. How they could tell the difference between the soils and plants found at the place she was buried. That's how they new she was killed somewhere else. Also how long she had been there ect. It is very interesting to read this side of it.

The papers to follow are the Lancashire telegraph and lancs live. If u go between the 2 u get the updates, one is more detailed than the other.

 

[Doris777]

No way on this earth did a stranger approach him and ask him to move a body. If anyone did ask him to do that, they knew each other. Accrington is a bit of a 'strange town', I live here, but, there's strange, and, there's strange!

Agreed! It's not something u would go to anyone and ask them to do unless u knew u could manipulate them. Especially to move a body. He either new the lad of it didn't happen. Will definitely be following what happens today. Wish I was local to Preston, I'd go to court.

Moo

 

[jamjim]

I 100% agree that if (BIG if) there was another person involved, there's no way in hell that the person was a stranger, IMO.

 

[Niner]

Thursday, February 27th:
*Trial continues (Day 2) (@ 10:30am UK) – UK – Lindsay Birbeck (47) (from Huncoat; last seen ~ 2:30pm on Aug. 12, 2019 & walking towards Accrington on Burnley Road @ 4:06pm on CCTV; found Aug. 24, 2019 in the area of Accrington Cemetery on Burnley Road) - *16/now 17 year old arrested (8/27/19) on suspicion of murder & on charged (8/31/19) with murder. Plead not guilty. Remanded to custody.
Trial began on 2/25/20 with jury selection. Trial started on 2/26 with opening statements. Trial expected to last to 3/13 at the Preston Crown Court. Mrs. Justice Amanda Yip will be presiding judge. No court on 3/6/20. Jury: 11 women & 1 man.
The Judge has told the jury that the defendant has a moderate learning disability & suffers with ADHD & autism & finds communication more difficult than other of other people of similar age.
Jury selection info reference post #656 here:
Found Deceased - UK - Lindsay Birbeck, 47, Accrington, 12 Aug 2019 *Arrest* #2
2/26/20 Wednesday Day 1: The Judge tells jurors the High Sheriff of Lancashire is sitting in court to observe the proceedings but will play no part in the case. Prosecutor David McLachlan QC has just handed to the jury two bundles which they will use to collate the evidence. This includes maps a timeline & names of the key people in the case. Opening statements: by Prosecutor David McLachlan QC. Pros witnesses: Detective Sergeant David Bowler (told the jury that he supervised a team of detectives examining CCTV around Accrington). The jury was shown a map of the Accrington area with the key locations involved in the case. Jury shown CCTV of Lindsay with daughter Sarah at The Mall in Blackburn, CCTV of Lindsay and Sarah at Asda in Accrington & text message from Sarah to Linsday. Statements from Lindsay’s daughter Sarah & by Lindsay Birbeck’s friend Sharon Griffiths. Jurors shown CCTV of the defendant walking up Whitewell Road in the direction of Burnley Road, CCTV of Lindsay walking along Burnley Road & shown that Lindsay sent a text message to her friend Sharon Griffiths & Rob Chaplow, her new partner. Jurors heard a statement from Judith Bibby who went on a dog walk in the Coppice with her husband Martin & Ralph (the dog ). She noticed the red anorak hanging on a barb wire fence. Jurors shown the jury CCTV clips of Judith Bibby’s car arriving & leaving the Coppice. Jurors taken thru timeline of events on August 12, 2019. Jurors shown CCTV of the defendant with 'muddy knees'. Trial continues tomorrow 2/27 at 10:30am.

 

[MissUnderstood]

If this other person does exist, and he was asked to move a body, why do police still not know where this Crome scene is!!! Does he not know where he moved it from either! Moo