Found Deceased UK - Lindsay Birbeck, 47, Accrington, 12 Aug 2019 *Arrest* #2

[Doris777]

Hi everyone. Still getting used to what I can and can't say so tell me if I'm out of hand.

From what I've gathered from the beginning when Lindsay went missing was and then found is that this had been planned..the name went round of who it was right away and that's the person in court. Everyone said he's covering up for someone else and with him being a kid he would get a less of a sentence..then he says it was an unknown man who killed her who he had never seen before. (Think he did know) and he just moved a badly for money. Which could be the case. Culture plays a massive part in this...they don't grass people up no matter what! So if it's someone he knows, friend or relative he will take the rap for it..or they have told him to with him being a kid..they would know he wouldn't get a full life term for murder so he could have been told to do it. I can't see how a 16 year old skinny lad had moved a 5ft 11 fully grown dead weight on his own...but saying that I know it's been done before when u look back in history and some murderers. The biggest question is why has he killed her...or if he didn't then why did the other person do it. Like someone has said about stranger murders...there very rare...there more so planned than anything else. The way she was killed is that of revenge/I really Wana hurt this person. It's not of someone who has just come across someone who they want to hurt if u know what I mean?

The pub that's being mentioned is closed and has been for a long time so no CCTV available there.

The police dog.. it wasn't let of the lead..so never went anywhere near the body. She was in a very secluded place so I don't think the dog could have found her...also depends what the dog is trained in. If it was a cadiver dog it was in a cemetery fill of death. It wouldn't have been easy.

The dog walker that found her had disturbed the body, well the dog had and that's the only reason she was found. If that dog hadn't of gone into that part she could still be there now.

It's definitely going to be interesting what is said in court today.

Moo

Obviously just thinking out loud and my opinion.

 

[Bampot]

Hi All,

Im new to this forum, purely because of this case. I have followed it since the disappearance and i would like to add my theory. Please pick up on anything that you think i may have got wrong based on the evidence so far.

Firstly my opinion is that Lindsay happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, what i mean is she just happened to go for a walk where it was quite secluded and happened to be where a male was lurking for his "prey". My opinion is that this male was looking to rape a woman or girl. He was lurking in the area for at least 2 hours before he got his chance.
I think he strangled her to silence her but it got out of hand and he ended up killing her. After this i think he ripped long grass from the field and covered her temporarily so nobody would find her.
He then went home to get a bag to put her clothes in and also to carry the plasticbags etc. Also he brings with him the wheelie bin, because he knew that she would be found if just covered with grass. I think the many hours he spent up the Coppice until 11.20pm he was putting the body into the bin and actually hiding the bin ( maybe hid the bin in the many allotments.)
I think the fact that the search was now in full flow focussing on the Coppice he didnt want to be seen in that area, hence the 5 day wait for moving her again. Once they had searched that area, he was ready to move her for the final time. He then scouted out his place to bury her the day before. The next day he just had to get it finished and put her in the cemetery.

My question is why didnt the police and his dog find her body, but a normal dog walker and his dog did?

Also i think the whole idea of him doing this for somebody else is so far fetched and is ultimately the only way the defendant could own up to moving the body but not murdering her.

All my own opinions of course but does anybody have any feedback?

Hi The Truth Is and welcome. And im in agreement with you, he acted alone in murdering poor Lindsay

 

[Alyce]

While we're waiting ..... welcome to all the new people who have joined us. Always good to get new thoughts and opinions.

 

[Alyce]

Hi everyone. Still getting used to what I can and can't say so tell me if I'm out of hand.

From what I've gathered from the beginning when Lindsay went missing was and then found is that this had been planned..the name went round of who it was right away and that's the person in court. Everyone said he's covering up for someone else and with him being a kid he would get a less of a sentence..then he says it was an unknown man who killed her who he had never seen before. (Think he did know) and he just moved a badly for money. Which could be the case. Culture plays a massive part in this...they don't grass people up no matter what! So if it's someone he knows, friend or relative he will take the rap for it..or they have told him to with him being a kid..they would know he wouldn't get a full life term for murder so he could have been told to do it. I can't see how a 16 year old skinny lad had moved a 5ft 11 fully grown dead weight on his own...but saying that I know it's been done before when u look back in history and some murderers. The biggest question is why has he killed her...or if he didn't then why did the other person do it. Like someone has said about stranger murders...there very rare...there more so planned than anything else. The way she was killed is that of revenge/I really Wana hurt this person. It's not of someone who has just come across someone who they want to hurt if u know what I mean?

The pub that's being mentioned is closed and has been for a long time so no CCTV available there.

The police dog.. it wasn't let of the lead..so never went anywhere near the body. She was in a very secluded place so I don't think the dog could have found her...also depends what the dog is trained in. If it was a cadiver dog it was in a cemetery fill of death. It wouldn't have been easy.

The dog walker that found her had disturbed the body, well the dog had and that's the only reason she was found. If that dog hadn't of gone into that part she could still be there now.

It's definitely going to be interesting what is said in court today.

Moo

Obviously just thinking out loud and my opinion.

Thanks for this Doris. Very interesting. Also thanks for confirming re the cctv ( or lack of ) at Whitakers Arms.
And very useful to know that the police dog was not let off the lead - explains a lot.

 

[jamjim]

10:34
Trial resuming
The trial is now resuming.

Lindsay Birbeck murder trial at Preston Crown Court - updates

 

[jamjim]

10:36
Agreed facts
The jury are about to be taken through a document with ‘agreed facts’.

Her Honour Mrs Justice Yip said these are matters that are ‘not in dispute’ between the prosecution and defence.

Lindsay Birbeck murder trial at Preston Crown Court - updates

 

[Doris777]

I know it's all very confusing. Alot of information to process. It's definitely going to be an interesting read today about what happened. Definitely can't predict what's going to happen.

The Whittaker's arms I think has been empy for a long time. It was searched by the forensics if I remember rightly. It's literally behind that pub where I think they think she was murdered. I've walked past it and it is quite secluded and that would be where the original dog walker said she seen Lindsay's coat on the barbed wire. Got a very earie feeling walking past there after Lindsay was found.

Moo

 

[Sera]

10:36
Agreed facts
The jury are about to be taken through a document with ‘agreed facts’.

Her Honour Mrs Justice Yip said these are matters that are ‘not in dispute’ between the prosecution and defence.

Lindsay Birbeck murder trial at Preston Crown Court - updates

BBM. I'm very interested to see what both sides agree on.

 

[jamjim]

10:45
Accurate unless otherwise stated
Prosecutor Simon Driver has told the jury that the timeline of events and CCTV compilations are ‘accurate unless otherwise stated’ and not challenged by the defendant.

Defence barrister Mark Fenhalls QC said ‘many matters the defendant has no knowledge of.'

Lindsay Birbeck murder trial at Preston Crown Court - updates

 

[The Truth Is]

I read that the plastic Lindsay was wrapped in may have helped to prevent the smell of decomposition fully hitting the air. Could it be the that the police dog searched there in the early days, didn't pick up anything, but an animal later pierced the plastic, making it possible for Morgan Parkinson's dog to find her on the 24th of February?

Yes i did think this myself, maybe a fox or badger had upset the area enough for the man and his dog to find her. what worries me is that if the police spent an hour at the body scene and didn't notice the unnatural ground etc, how well have they done with the rest of the case?

 

[jamjim]

10:49
The police call saying Lindsay had been found
The jury have been told how dog walker Morgan Parkinson called the police on August 24, 2019 to say he found a body.

His statement is now being read to the jury.

Mr Parkinson said his dog had run into the wooded area at Accrington Cemetery and he shouted for her to come back ‘three or four times’.

However her head was down in the bushes and was ‘sniffing something’.

He said his dog was ‘not paying attention to me when I shouted her name’.

Mr Parkinson said he then ‘stood on something that was soft and squishy and I immediately jumped back’.

He then ‘smelt a horrible smell’ and saw something that ‘looked like a leg’.

Lindsay Birbeck murder trial at Preston Crown Court - updates

 

[jamjim]

10:51
101 not respond so called 999
Mr Parkinson said he called 101 to report the finding at 7.23pm but couldn’t get through.

When his partner arrived she told him to call 999. He did so at 7.42pm

Lindsay Birbeck murder trial at Preston Crown Court - updates

 

[Doris777]

Yes i did think this myself, maybe a fox or badger had upset the area enough for the man and his dog to find her. what worries me is that if the police spent an hour at the body scene and didn't notice the unnatural ground etc, how well have they done with the rest of the case?

The dog walker who found her has the dog off the lead and it's gone into the bushes and started digging and wouldn't leave it alone..so they have had to physically go and get the dog which has upset the ground and he's smelt the body. Then seen a leg. So he's has to drag the dog out and call the police.

 

[Alyce]

10:45
Accurate unless otherwise stated
Prosecutor Simon Driver has told the jury that the timeline of events and CCTV compilations are ‘accurate unless otherwise stated’ and not challenged by the defendant.Defence barrister Mark Fenhalls QC said ‘many matters the defendant has no knowledge of.'
Lindsay Birbeck murder trial at Preston Crown Court - updates

making sure he got that point in, to use later on during the Defence

 

[The Truth Is]

Hi everyone. Still getting used to what I can and can't say so tell me if I'm out of hand.

From what I've gathered from the beginning when Lindsay went missing was and then found is that this had been planned..the name went round of who it was right away and that's the person in court. Everyone said he's covering up for someone else and with him being a kid he would get a less of a sentence..then he says it was an unknown man who killed her who he had never seen before. (Think he did know) and he just moved a badly for money. Which could be the case. Culture plays a massive part in this...they don't grass people up no matter what! So if it's someone he knows, friend or relative he will take the rap for it..or they have told him to with him being a kid..they would know he wouldn't get a full life term for murder so he could have been told to do it. I can't see how a 16 year old skinny lad had moved a 5ft 11 fully grown dead weight on his own...but saying that I know it's been done before when u look back in history and some murderers. The biggest question is why has he killed her...or if he didn't then why did the other person do it. Like someone has said about stranger murders...there very rare...there more so planned than anything else. The way she was killed is that of revenge/I really Wana hurt this person. It's not of someone who has just come across someone who they want to hurt if u know what I mean?

The pub that's being mentioned is closed and has been for a long time so no CCTV available there.

The police dog.. it wasn't let of the lead..so never went anywhere near the body. She was in a very secluded place so I don't think the dog could have found her...also depends what the dog is trained in. If it was a cadiver dog it was in a cemetery fill of death. It wouldn't have been easy.

The dog walker that found her had disturbed the body, well the dog had and that's the only reason she was found. If that dog hadn't of gone into that part she could still be there now.

It's definitely going to be interesting what is said in court today.

Moo

Obviously just thinking out loud and my opinion.

I disagree i think if it was planned by somebody else, they wouldnt have him walking around with her body in a wheelie bin, more likely she woiuld have ended up in a canal or under a concrete slab, just my opinion. Also the police dog was near the wheelie bin because it was only 6 metres away, so i think the area should have been thoroughly checked. I think the police have messed up. Also the fact that nobody else has been seen or arrested makes me think lone wolf.

 

[jamjim]

10:57
Medical evidence about to be presented
Prosecutor David McLachlan QC said the medical evidence is now about to be presented by Home Office pathologist Dr Naomi Carter.

The Judge has said this will be dealt with as ‘sensitively as possible’.

Lindsay Birbeck murder trial at Preston Crown Court - updates

 

[jamjim]

10:59
Dr Naomi Carter introduced
Dr Naomi Carter has now stepped into the witness box and has been introduced to the jury.

She said she is one of about 35 Home Office pathologists in the country.

Lindsay Birbeck murder trial at Preston Crown Court - updates

 

[The Truth Is]

The dog walker who found her has the dog off the lead and it's gone into the bushes and started digging and wouldn't leave it alone..so they have had to physically go and get the dog which has upset the ground and he's smelt the body. Then seen a leg. So he's has to drag the dog out and call the police.

No what i meant was maybe a wild animal had upset the scene after the police dog had been there and this alerted the normal dog to the smell

 

[Bampot]

DAY FOUR: Lindsay Birbeck trial continues. Witnesses to take the stand

adding link for Lancashire Telegraph

11:02am
"It looked artificially obscured using undergrowth.

"There was a section that had been disturbed by Mr Parkinson's dog.

"Under this was plastic and I could see what looked like pale skin.

11:00am
"What I saw was a shallow ditch with a mound of soil in the middle.

11:00am
"He took us into the wooded area, to the place of interest and through the undergrowth.

10:59am
PC Say said: "I was called to attend the cemetery and arrived around 8pm and was met by Mr Parkinson

10:59am
A statement from PC Robyn Say has been read out to the jury

10:58am
"I ran back out and called my partner, Sarah and then called the police."

10:58am
"I walked further forward and stood on something soft and squishy.

"I jumped back and grabbed my dog by the collar.

"I then smelled something horrible and it smelled rotten.

"I could see plastic and what looked like a leg to me.

10:56am
"I let the dog off the lead and she ran into the wooded area.

"I called her three or four times but she didn't come out so I went into the bushes to see if I could see her.

"I walked in and my dog had her head down in the bushes, she was not paying attention to me.

10:54am
Mr Parkinson says in his statement: "I usually walk my dog through the cemetery and on August 24 at approximately 7pm I left my home to go for a walk.

"I was walking through the cemetery for about 10-15 minutes and headed to the bottom grass area.

 

[jamjim]

11:05
Linsday died from 'neck injuries'
Dr Naomi Carter attended Accrington Cemetery and formally pronounced Lindsay Birbeck dead at 8.25pm on August 25, 2020.

A post-mortem examination was carried out at Royal Blackburn Hospital.

She told the jury the cause of death was ‘neck injuries’.

Dr Carter said Lindsay was found naked in a shallow grave about 1.5ft deep. There was also a plastic sheet, vegetation and soil.

Lindsay Birbeck murder trial at Preston Crown Court - updates