Found Deceased UK - Lindsay Birbeck, 47, Accrington, 12 Aug 2019 *Arrest* #3

[SpursGyal]

How did he get her pant/leggings (not sure what she was wearing) off without taking her trainers off?
Or if he took them off then removed pants why put them back on? Some of you have mentione feet swelling during decomp as a reason to cut soles off...
If he had taken them off and left them off why then not get rid of them with the clothes?
If he did put them back on (why the heck would you do that) why throw them in the same place after taking them apart?
This case is bringing to may stupid questions up...
Also the police say he took the body to the cemetery on the 17th according to the prosecution, so how the heck was her body missed for 7 days? The bin was seen on the 18th and he body wasnt that far away, and covered with stuff taken from the cemetery, how was this missed when there was plenty of people around.. It wasnt deep into brambles away from the path, and was in a shallow hole most likely made from an uprooted tree.
Also....
How do u get dna on only one glove, if he was wearing two pairs of gloves then how the heck did he manage to throw away one glove from one set and the opposite glove from the other set...
To many questions hahaha... Not enough answers....

I don’t believe that her trainers were on her feet, so it’s impossible to say what was removed first. We only know that the soles were separate to the rest.
They were thrown in a skip. We don’t know what’s happened to her clothes yet.

Apparently she was in the undergrowth, the person who found her only did so because his dog went in and wouldn’t come out, so he had to go in to get the dog, then saw her leg. She wouldn’t have been easily visable. The bin was also moved, it didn’t stay where it was, the police ok’d it to be moved.

 

[SpursGyal]

Seems odd to me that the location of the attack hasn't been located. Hate to ask this, but, is it due to a lack of effort?

I think a number of things will come in to play, it’s a vast space, the weather, and the hundreds and hundreds of members of the public who walked all over potential crime scenes without knowing.

 

[The Truth Is]

What is a likely sentence for moving, decapitating and burying a body, if he want to be charged with murder?

 

[Mumrahh]

I don’t believe that her trainers were on her feet, so it’s impossible to say what was removed first. We only know that the soles were separate to the rest.
They were thrown in a skip. We don’t know what’s happened to her clothes yet.

Apparently she was in the undergrowth, the person who found her only did so because his dog went in and wouldn’t come out, so he had to go in to get the dog, then saw her leg. She wouldn’t have been easily visable. The bin was also moved, it didn’t stay where it was, the police ok’d it to be moved.

Her body wasn't deep undercover it wasnt far from the mown grass, you can see location from where the white tent is...

If her shoes where removed at the same time as the clothes then why didn't he keep them together and dispose of them at the same time.
This case has me baffled haha, and as I live near by and know the cemetery worker who locked the bin up after the police told him it wasn't important I would love to get all the answers.
Sadly I don't think we ever will whatever the outcome

 

[Kaykedi]

I think a number of things will come in to play, it’s a vast space, the weather, and the hundreds and hundreds of members of the public who walked all over potential crime scenes without knowing.

Thank you for this

 

[SpursGyal]

What is a likely sentence for moving, decapitating and burying a body, if he want to be charged with murder?

My understand is, If he is found not guilty of murder he will walk free. As they have gone with a single charge of murder.

 

[The Truth Is]

My understand is, If he is found not guilty of murder he will walk free. As they have gone with a single charge of murder.

I thought they could change the charge mid trial?

 

[Skigh]

My understand is, If he is found not guilty of murder he will walk free. As they have gone with a single charge of murder.

but he has admitted he moved the body so can receive a sentence for that.

 

[Sally4x]

Did Lindsay's house have access to this area via a gate at the bottom of her garden?

Yes there is a gate at the bottom of her garden leading to the area where the sheds are.

 

[The Truth Is]

I hope his DNA is under her nails.

 

[SpursGyal]

He has admitted it, but they haven’t charged for it... so if they had charged with murder, perverting the course of justice and preventing a lawful burial, they could have got a 2/3 guilty verdicts.

I still think more evidence is coming this week that points to Murder, because otherwise why haven’t they added the other charges.

 

[MusicalMonkey]

I hope his DNA is under her nails.

Yes. You certainly couldn't claim you 'only moved the body' if that was the case.

 

[The Truth Is]

Yes. You certainly couldn't claim you 'only moved the body' if that was the case.

I cant think of any other way to prove that when she was alive he was there

 

[MusicalMonkey]

Her body wasn't deep undercover it wasnt far from the mown grass, you can see location from where the white tent is...

If her shoes where removed at the same time as the clothes then why didn't he keep them together and dispose of them at the same time.
This case has me baffled haha, and as I live near by and know the cemetery worker who locked the bin up after the police told him it wasn't important I would love to get all the answers.
Sadly I don't think we ever will whatever the outcome

Can you mark on the map where the actual burial site in the cemetery was. I am presuming it was in/by the trees by the railway track.

Whilst on the subject of the railway track. Any ideas what the defendant was doing walking around in the Huncoat Business Park area (across the railway track)?

 

[The Truth Is]

Can you mark on the map where the actual burial site in the cemetery was. I am presuming it was in/by the trees by the railway track.

Whilst on the subject of the railway track. Any ideas what the defendant was doing walking around in the Huncoat Business Park area (across the railway track)?

He lived on the other side of it on a traveller site

 

[SpursGyal]

Can you mark on the map where the actual burial site in the cemetery was. I am presuming it was in/by the trees by the railway track.

Whilst on the subject of the railway track. Any ideas what the defendant was doing walking around in the Huncoat Business Park area (across the railway track)?

The only reason the tent was in the position I thought, was because they couldn’t erect one where she was found. Because of the trees.

 

[The Truth Is]

Can you mark on the map where the actual burial site in the cemetery was. I am presuming it was in/by the trees by the railway track.

Whilst on the subject of the railway track. Any ideas what the defendant was doing walking around in the Huncoat Business Park area (across the railway track)?

53°45'51.3"N 2°21'18.7"W copy that into google maps and put into satellite mode

 

[Rosegold68]

think the business park area was on the way to his home

 

[MusicalMonkey]

He lived on the other side of it on a traveller site

I thought it might be that.

I'm in the wrong game I tells thee.

 

[Angleterre]

I found your info v helpful thanks. I have little experience personally of autism.

I would be really interested to know what you and @Angleterre think re the chances of a guilty verdict based on what has been heard so far?

For me, we know he moved the body which is undisputed fact. But , without any other direct evidence of him carrying out the murder , it seems that it may hinge on whether the jury believe there is a chance the hooded man exists. And does that admit doubt?

Personally Hongkongphoey I think it is tenuous. Irrespective as to if the SIO and murder team believe that he is in fact the perpetrator, unless it is shown to be beyond all reasonable doubt , which from what I am aware of so far, and unless the SIO and his or her team can provide the evidence to show his actual involvement in the murder,wether that be by witness testimony, CCTV , DNA, Fingerprints or via telephone location services etc then I personally can’t see how, at this moment in the trial , they can say that he murdered LB and there is no question that he is responsible, beyond all reasonable doubt. That being the case then I can’t see that it will be a guilty verdict . But who knows... stranger things have happened.
The one thing that I will draw attention to is that in the UK the double jeopardy law
is no longer in being so therefore, if he was found not guilty ,then further down the line, evidence appears that wasn’t previously available at trial , then if it is classed as new evidence, he can be subjected to a retrial.
So all is not lost . I haven’t been able to follow the trial thus far as I’ve been back and forth from the hospital all of last week so I am unsure where ‘autism’ comes into it and to what degree , but what I will say is that if there is such an issue due to a recognised medical condition then the judge will Be professional enough to consult with experts in that field if it is deemed necessary for fair and equitable justice all round . The judge would then give a directive to the jury and ask that they follow that direction without being swayed either way by the prosecution or the defence and to remove all emotion where applicable and deal with facts only . I am not sure if that helps at all to answer your question/s?