Found Deceased UK - Lindsay Birbeck, 47, Accrington, 12 Aug 2019 *Arrest* #3

[Diogenes_88]

Not sure I’d want him this close to my family knowing what he has admitted to in his statement.

I live very close to the whittakers - the thought of my partner walking up the coppice alone as she loves to do when im still at work terrifies me with him on the loose. I am hoping that some strong evidence that he did it will be presented but I just cant see it. The prosecution's case thus far has been a complete farce and if i were a family member I would be disgusted.

 

[MusicalMonkey]

Did anyone here

I believe that this is what he was told to say and stick to.

The fact he hasn't been required to say anything since would indicate his 'tongue has been cut'.

And the law is on 'his' side as it's innocent until proven guilty (beyond all reasonable doubt).

As someone pointed out a day or so ago. There's nothing to stop other murderers etc. coming up with the same baloney and in many cases it would work.

I recently watched a BBC documentary series about CSI in the North-East of England, UK. One of the cases particularly 'shocked' me with regards to the CCTV evidence provided, in particular how it seemed almost watertight to me - yet the investigation team were concerned it wasn't.

I can post the exact case. But I don't want to go too off point.
The main thing I learnt from that is how difficult it can be to get convictions as suspects/defence's can make up all kinds of stories that bring up elements of doubt - even though the contrary seems obvious.

 

[Ann Blyth]

I’ve just been having a look to see if I can find any offences in law which relate to disposal of a corpse only, and I have found that it is a common law offence, indictable only, therefore can only be tried in the Crown Court, found this on Wikipedia (I know, I know)

Disposal of a corpse with intent to obstruct or prevent a coroner's inquest - Wikipedia

I imagine this is what he would be charged with in the alternative, just thinking out loud and EBM, once again for my awful spelling!

 

[Mumrahh]

Well what a boring day in court....
No more mention of the saw??

Still no evidence he actually killed her...
I am leaning toward... He did now who killed her, maybe he knew something was going to happen to her which is why he was hanging out round, maybe the other guy had told him to wait around till he was called... Maybe he knows who the guy is and has a fear of him or knows has to do as he is asked "or else".. Maybe this guy is a family member? (moo)
Maybe he has been told to own up to moving body as he won't get as big a sentence as an adult...
Maybe he had help putting body in bin, dna on only one glove?

Ugh.. This case is never gonna give us answers... Hopefully Netflix will do a documentary on it and we get to see all cctv and maps haha

 

[Alyce]

Well if you’ve ever tried putting a heavy awkward item in a wheelie bin then you will know it tries to tip over or run away from you , so I would think putting LB inside would have probably been easier if the bin was laid down hence RM having wet knees.....assuming he put her in there himself......just a thought .

The bin looks pretty clean from the photos, if it had lain on it's side and had any heavy awkward object shoved into it there would be scuff marks, muck and debris on the outside and would help forensics to match soil samples n stuff to identify the murder location. Even if the perp, used a tree trunk or fencepost as a back stop there would be bark or wood scuffs to the same end surely?

LB was tall, 178cm, average bin height is 103 cm. Assuming her upper torso was 65-70cm, her waist line would come above the top of the bin, which could have made it easier to use the bin upright and allow gravity to assist. Perhaps less markings than if bin laid on side ? although I agree , bin would need some kind of support to keep it steady.

 

[Loulou38]

A gypsie will never grass on their own, that's if it's TRUE about certain individuals.. it's either he's done it or someone he knows has. I can't see it being a randomer, that would just be crazy.

 

[J4k]

not sure if this has been posted already or not, but more CCTV from "The Bungalow" just higher up from WA, it shows someone like him exiting the "field area" of the coppice on the night of the 12th at 22.23pm, he was seen taking a wheelie bin up in that direction approx 2 hours previous to this clip.

Not sure whether that's the rucksack he's carrying, or could even be a coat (with the way it swishes)?

 

[Ann Blyth]

A gypsie will never grass on their own, that's if it's TRUE about certain individuals.. it's either he's done it or someone he knows has. I can't see it being a randomer, that would just be crazy.

Agree completely, even if the defendant is looking at some real time inside.

 

[sunflower22]

Well what a boring day in court....
No more mention of the saw??

Still no evidence he actually killed her...
I am leaning toward... He did now who killed her, maybe he knew something was going to happen to her which is why he was hanging out round, maybe the other guy had told him to wait around till he was called... Maybe he knows who the guy is and has a fear of him or knows has to do as he is asked "or else".. Maybe this guy is a family member? (moo)
Maybe he has been told to own up to moving body as he won't get as big a sentence as an adult...
Maybe he had help putting body in bin, dna on only one glove?

Ugh.. This case is never gonna give us answers... Hopefully Netflix will do a documentary on it and we get to see all cctv and maps haha

I’m confused as to why the saw was found at the cemetery. I presumed he used it to try and cut her legs to fit her in the bin, he moved the body 5 days later to the cemetery so I don’t why the saw would be left there?

 

[Ann Blyth]

Well what a boring day in court....
No more mention of the saw??

Still no evidence he actually killed her...
I am leaning toward... He did now who killed her, maybe he knew something was going to happen to her which is why he was hanging out round, maybe the other guy had told him to wait around till he was called... Maybe he knows who the guy is and has a fear of him or knows has to do as he is asked "or else".. Maybe this guy is a family member? (moo)
Maybe he has been told to own up to moving body as he won't get as big a sentence as an adult...
Maybe he had help putting body in bin, dna on only one glove?

Ugh.. This case is never gonna give us answers... Hopefully Netflix will do a documentary on it and we get to see all cctv and maps haha

I am of the same opinion as you, and others on here are as well, I’m sure he’s the scapegoat more and more as I hear more evidence (or lack of it).

 

[sunflower22]

He wasn’t wearing gloves on the CCTV of him pulling the wheelie bin to the cemetery. So why would they have been found at cemetery. IMO I think he’s been told to leave evidence at the cemetery so all evidence is pointing to him only.

 

[SpursGyal]

Ok guys, humour me. I have a theory about the missing trainers/phone/Lindsay’s belongings.


So we know, that his parents took him to the police station. It was clear he would be identified from that CCTV. People who knew him have already said in court they were 99% sure it was him.
So him and his family knew that the police would arrive with an arrest and search warrant.

By taking him to the station, they prevent the arrest warrant being executed, giving other family members time to dispose of anything of interest.... His trainers, rucksack, phone, and items of Lindsay’s he may have taken in his rucksack.

By the time he is arrested, processed and the search warrant issued, those items are long gone never to be found.

 

[Ann Blyth]

Ok guys, humour me. I have a theory about the missing trainers/phone/Lindsay’s belongings.


So we know, that his parents took him to the police station. It was clear he would be identified from that CCTV. People who knew him have already said in court they were 99% sure it was him.
So him and his family knew that the police would arrive with an arrest and search warrant.

By taking him to the station, they prevent the arrest warrant being executed, giving other family members time to dispose of anything of interest.... His trainers, rucksack, phone, and items of Lindsay’s he may have taken in his rucksack.

By the time he is arrested, processed and the search warrant issued, those items are long gone never to be found.

This or something like this, IMO.

 

[SpursGyal]

This or something like this, IMO.

I wondered why they would hand him in. This would make sense.


Ok, they have you on moving her, but we can make sure they have nothing else.

 

[sunflower22]

Ok guys, humour me. I have a theory about the missing trainers/phone/Lindsay’s belongings.


So we know, that his parents took him to the police station. It was clear he would be identified from that CCTV. People who knew him have already said in court they were 99% sure it was him.
So him and his family knew that the police would arrive with an arrest and search warrant.

By taking him to the station, they prevent the arrest warrant being executed, giving other family members time to dispose of anything of interest.... His trainers, rucksack, phone, and items of Lindsay’s he may have taken in his rucksack.

By the time he is arrested, processed and the search warrant issued, those items are long gone never to be found.

Why go through all the trouble of getting rid of her clothing, his trainers? Surely they would of got rid of the sheeting etc. If they had of found her items or his trainers his dna her dna could be on them due to the fact he moved her body. And then there’s the issue with her trainers been found, why only leave these behind. I’m thinking her clothes contained someone else’s dna

 

[SpursGyal]

Why go through all the trouble of getting rid of her clothing, his trainers? Surely they would of got rid of the sheeting etc. If they had of found her items or his trainers his dna her dna could be on them due to the fact he moved her body. And then there’s the issue with her trainers been found, why only leave these behind. I’m thinking her clothes contained someone else’s dna

We don’t know what this sheeting is? It could be very common, so they would say anyone could have it. Her DNA Wouldn’t be on the clean sheeting.

It appears he had already got rid of her trainers so not much they could have done with that. But they could make sure nothing of hers was found at his home on the search and nothing of his with her DNA remained.

 

[SpursGyal]

He was arrested on the 27th August. His address searched 28th.

I have no doubt things were disposed of.

 

[Alyce]

Perhaps they just got rid of everything they knew about.

They may not have known that sheeting had been used and by the time they found out ( during interviews ) it was too late to do anything, as searches were already underway at the home.

Likewise, with trainers/gloves left in the cemetery...maybe the accused did not tell anyone he had left them there.

 

[Ann Blyth]

Perhaps they just got rid of everything they knew about.

They may not have known that sheeting had been used and by the time they found out ( during interviews ) it was too late to do anything, as searches were already underway at the home.

Likewise, with trainers/gloves left in the cemetery...maybe the accused did not tell anyone he had left them there.

Certainly doubt he told anyone about errors he had made at the time, assume they couldn’t check themselves at the pertinent time either, just IMO.

 

[Ann Blyth]

not sure if this has been posted already or not, but more CCTV from "The Bungalow" just higher up from WA, it shows someone like him exiting the "field area" of the coppice on the night of the 12th at 22.23pm, he was seen taking a wheelie bin up in that direction approx 2 hours previous to this clip.

Not sure whether that's the rucksack he's carrying, or could even be a coat (with the way it swishes)?

The way it swishes, I thought a coat or something similar, but in the upper middle centre, in the background, looks like a person is standing there, could just be a bin, but it does look creepy, I think it has been mentioned before on here?