Found Deceased UK - Lindsay Birbeck, 47, Accrington, 12 Aug 2019 *Arrest* #3

[SpursGyal]

Just throwing a few thoughts around

He wasnt very savvy around CCTV , leaving the bin near the body , disposal of glove , saw and her trainers

Yet we are to believe he realised that her phone , clothes and Fitbit would be particularly damning?

It's almost a gift to the defence...its only the disposal that's been clumsy

Regards her trainers.. it's an odd one but I wonder if he cut her clothes off but for some reason didn't get round to the trainers before putting her in the bin (maybe time / or disturbed) ...perhaps her trainers were only removed later at the cemetery

Or for some reason her trainers were put in the bin with her but clothes were not ...maybe her clothes were in rucksack but trainers wouldn't fit in

I wonder if her clothes were in the rucksack for fear of what forensics would come of it if they were found.

Her trainers maybe not so damming.

 

[Mumrahh]

I’m confused as to why the saw was found at the cemetery. I presumed he used it to try and cut her legs to fit her in the bin, he moved the body 5 days later to the cemetery so I don’t why the saw would be left there?

I am confused by loads of his actions...
Why leave a saw, shoes and gloves near to where the body was found... Why not get rid of all these items along with the clothing which hasn't turned up...
It's as though someone has helped to a certain point then left him to finish of clearing up, he wasn't sure how to go about this so eventually "buried" her... (moo)

If there was police out and about the day of the 17th he was very lucky to not be seen moving the bin,
I am also stunned the body wasn't found sooner, dog walkers had been in the area, the bin had been seen a few times, yet not one person saw this mound in the brambles,
And shame on the officer who went with the police dog, if they had searched a bit better or let the dog off thw body may of been found sooner, instead they just dismissed the bin, that bin was only in lockup in dill Hall because the staff member had the sense to keep hold of it "just for incase"

 

[Mumrahh]

I’m confused as to why the saw was found at the cemetery. I presumed he used it to try and cut her legs to fit her in the bin, he moved the body 5 days later to the cemetery so I don’t why the saw would be left there?

I am confused by loads of his actions...
Why leave a saw, shoes and gloves near to where the body was found... Why not get rid of all these items along with the clothing which hasn't turned up...
It's as though someone has helped to a certain point then left him to finish of clearing up, he wasn't sure how to go about this so eventually "buried" her... (moo)

If there was police out and about the day of the 17th he was very lucky to not be seen moving the bin,
I am also stunned the body wasn't found sooner, dog walkers had been in the area, the bin had been seen a few times, yet not one person saw this mound in the brambles,
And shame on the officer who went with the police dog, if they had searched a bit better or let the dog off thw body may of been found sooner, instead they just dismissed the bin, that bin was only in lockup in dill Hall because the staff member had the sense to keep hold of it "just for incase"

 

[Loulou38]

So, I've just seen an article from lancashire telegraph saying about lack of CCTV at the coppice, has he not said where he picked the body up from? All I've read is from an area..

 

[SLS001]

I've been following this case since Lindsay went missing. I'm not very hopeful that the defendant will be found guilty. The evidence to prove he did murder LB is not convincing enough. I feel very sorry for the family as I'm not sure how this case has got to court on what we've read so far.

 

[Mumrahh]

So, I've just seen an article from lancashire telegraph saying about lack of CCTV at the coppice, has he not said where he picked the body up from? All I've read is from an area..

He hasn't said where he got the body... Even if he did it may not even be the murder site... (going along with his story atm as there is no evidence of him attacking/killing her)

 

[SpursGyal]

IF, and I mean I’m going on a massive IF he didn’t kill her, why would he not co-operate with the police, show them where he found her body, handing them a potential crime scene and DNA/Forensic evidence that would clear him of the murder charge.

Even as a fairytale it wouldn’t be believable.

 

[sunflower22]

IF, and I mean I’m going on a massive IF he didn’t kill her, why would he not co-operate with the police, show them where he found her body, handing them a potential crime scene and DNA/Forensic evidence that would clear him of the murder charge.

Even as a fairytale it wouldn’t be believable.

Has it been said that he didn’t show them where he found her body? As a lot of people are saying this might not have been the murder scene therefore no dna was found. I know there was ALOT of police present behind the Whittaker’s in September, this was after his arrest.

 

[SpursGyal]

Has it been said that he didn’t show them where he found her body? As a lot of people are saying this might not have been the murder scene therefore no dna was found. I know there was ALOT of police present behind the Whittaker’s in September, this was after his arrest.

He has said no more than his prepared statement. He’s not willing to say anything else either.

 

[sunflower22]

If she had been killed in the coppice I find it very hard to believe that the police couldn’t find Any dna. I understand a lot of people did searches and the weather was possible bad, but these are experts in what they do, a lot of officers where on their hands and knees for days combing the area. they found a bit of plastic relating to the bin so I don’t understand why they haven’t found anything relating to the murder scene.

 

[SpursGyal]

If she had been killed in the coppice I find it very hard to believe that the police couldn’t find Any dna. I understand a lot of people did searches and the weather was possible bad, but these are experts in what they do, a lot of officers where on their hands and knees for days combing the area. they found a bit of plastic relating to the bin so I don’t understand why they haven’t found anything relating to the murder scene.

What would be left in a strangulation scene? No blood?
Flattened grass? But the whole area has been stamped over with the searches.

 

[sunflower22]

What would be left in a strangulation scene? No blood?
Flattened grass? But the whole area has been stamped over with the searches.

Good point!

 

[SpursGyal]

I really think that is why we have no murder scene.
But pinpoint on to the police could have unearthed something.... Proving his innocence... or guilt. Which I think is why he hasn’t.

If I was facing a murder charge, and I didn’t do it. I’d sing like a canary for the facts I did know. His unwillingness to elaborate on his more than vague fairytale story only confirms his guilt for me.

 

[Dcflag]

Ive been looking for trainers with an upside down v design. I could only find a couple a brands/pairs online that could come close to that description and non less than around £500. (Im not saying other dont exist but i didnt come across any).
Also interestingly how would one decifer an 'upside down V' from a capital A, especially from a distance? What would draw one to conclude it was indeed an 'upside down V' rather than the more simple A? Perhaps the presence of other upside down letters but somehow the V was the prominent one remembered? Obviously my own random musings..

My first thought when reading were actually vans. They come in blue and could be described as an upsidedown V shape

 

[Tortoise]

I think specially trained dogs (off the lead) could have found the spot if her body was left in situ for hours as appears to have been the case, before she was put into the bin, and then with what he did to her leg.

moo

 

[SpursGyal]

My first thought when reading were actually vans. They come in blue and could be described as an upsidedown V shape

Good shout!

Also, I don’t think £500 trainers would be out of the question anyway. JMO.

 

[Dcflag]

In terms of why certain stuff has been left and others destroyed my personal theory (and this is just my own musings from what I think and probably not based in any fact) is that he just simply got fed up. He got tired of trying to work out what to do with her and eventually just dumped whatever remained. I think the fact it was a shallow hole he didn't even dig himself lends itself to that idea.

There's a witness statement too that suggests seeing him sitting in thought. I don't know that he overly cared that much about whether things (or her) were found and after a week of attempted disposal just though "f it" and whacked it all in the nearest available place to have done with it.

 

[jamjim]

My first thought when reading were actually vans. They come in blue and could be described as an upsidedown V shape

Funny you say that, my first thought were these actually...

 

[SpursGyal]

DBM.

 

[Dcflag]

Funny you say that, my first thought were these actually...

They are also relatively cheap and VERY popular. They would be my first guess for sure. They also do a full blue version with a white strip and as it happens, vans are usually quite distinctive by sight