Found Deceased UK - Lindsay Birbeck, 47, Accrington, 12 Aug 2019 *Arrest* #3

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  • #921
Do we know when the cemetery was searched with dogs? maybe this happened before she was moved there & maybe he knew this if he was watching for when the search moved away from the cemetery

I think dogs would find a lot to be interested in in a cemetery, not every person is embalmed & even if are they will still decay
 
  • #922
IF, and I mean I’m going on a massive IF he didn’t kill her, why would he not co-operate with the police, show them where he found her body, handing them a potential crime scene and DNA/Forensic evidence that would clear him of the murder charge.

Even as a fairytale it wouldn’t be believable.
Exactly and ergo he must be guilty but the prosecution haven’t shown him to be beyond all reasonable doubt and even if and it’s a HUGE if, he is found guilty, on appeal, I cannot see how it would stand ...
 
  • #923
What would be left in a strangulation scene? No blood?
Flattened grass? But the whole area has been stamped over with the searches.
It’s amazing what evidence that you can find when the expert police searchers do a lined fingertip search ...
 
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It’s amazing what evidence that you can find when the expert police searchers do a lined fingertip search ...

I don't recall seeing any reported... The press love a photo op of police crawling on a fingertip search.
 
  • #926
would her trainers not have given some clues? maybe they had soil from the coppice on them etc....likewise,if she had been ambushed in the car park/on the road up to the coppice, then her soles would still be clean
 
  • #927
I don't recall seeing any reported... The press love a photo op of police crawling on a fingertip search.
I seen them all on there hands and knees, at the back it the Whittaker’s
 
  • #928
I really feel like they certainly dropped a few balls with this case.
 
  • #929
I really feel like they certainly dropped a few balls with this case.
Agreed, in fact I’m surprised when it went to the CPS for charging, that the CPS thought there was enough evidence to charge him, @Angleterre , what are your thoughts?
 
  • #930
It's just occurred to me that he might have been told to cut off the soles of the trainers (to avoid mud or sole prints linking police to the place of her attack) and he didn't realise that was the reason he was doing it and so left both parts together in the bag.

I can see that being true if he doesn't ask questions and has the mental age of a younger child.

moo
 
  • #931
It was reported on one of the lancs telegraph live links that the dog was trained to smell 'flesh and blood' i will try to go back and find the link. The officer examined the bin and the general area for an hour (she was 6m from the bin) and the dog made no alerts what so ever.
 
  • #932
Whenever competency of searching for a person is discussed I always think back to a case on here, some of the more frequent older ws members may remember it.

It was an a woman and husband (and maybe her son?) In Scotland. They had CCTV of her last sighting walking by herself but couldn't find her anywhere. They had both police and civilian searches going on. The husband actually flew back to America.

The case was solved when she was found, largely down to this website in fact, when a friend of hers from America teamed up with someone from ws and flew to Scotland. They undertook their own searches with the ws goers dogs and found her, sitting under a tree.

She had remarkably been missed in all of the searches despite being in the searched area. Unfortunately she had passed (if that wasn't obvious)

But it goes to show, even when someone is essentially hiding in plain sight, they can be missed in various professional and non professional searches. Which is why it sticks in my brain.

I wish I could remember the poor woman's name.
 
  • #933
It's just occurred to me that he might have been told to cut off the soles of the trainers (to avoid mud or sole prints linking police to the place of her attack) and he didn't realise that was the reason he was doing it and so left both parts together in the bag.

I can see that being true if he doesn't ask questions and has the mental age of a younger child.

moo

I truly believe he is taking the rap for someone else close to him. IMOO
 
  • #934
Whenever competency of searching for a person is discussed I always think back to a case on here, some of the more frequent older ws members may remember it.

It was an a woman and husband (and maybe her son?) In Scotland. They had CCTV of her last sighting walking by herself but couldn't find her anywhere. They had both police and civilian searches going on. The husband actually flew back to America.

The case was solved when she was found, largely down to this website in fact, when a friend of hers from America teamed up with someone from ws and flew to Scotland. They undertook their own searches with the ws goers dogs and found her, sitting under a tree.

She had remarkably been missed in all of the searches despite being in the searched area. Unfortunately she had passed (if that wasn't obvious)

But it goes to show, even when someone is essentially hiding in plain sight, they can be missed in various professional and non professional searches. Which is why it sticks in my brain.

I wish I could remember the poor woman's name.

I’m going to have to look this case up, I find it amazing how this can happen!
 
  • #935
Whenever competency of searching for a person is discussed I always think back to a case on here, some of the more frequent older ws members may remember it.

It was an a woman and husband (and maybe her son?) In Scotland. They had CCTV of her last sighting walking by herself but couldn't find her anywhere. They had both police and civilian searches going on. The husband actually flew back to America.

The case was solved when she was found, largely down to this website in fact, when a friend of hers from America teamed up with someone from ws and flew to Scotland. They undertook their own searches with the ws goers dogs and found her, sitting under a tree.

She had remarkably been missed in all of the searches despite being in the searched area. Unfortunately she had passed (if that wasn't obvious)

But it goes to show, even when someone is essentially hiding in plain sight, they can be missed in various professional and non professional searches. Which is why it sticks in my brain.

I wish I could remember the poor woman's name.

Susan McLean!
 
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I truly believe he is taking the rap for someone else close to him. IMOO
I don't know what I think about that but I do know I couldn't vote guilty with the information I know at this point.
 
  • #939
I don't know what I think about that but I do know I couldn't vote guilty with the information I know at this point.
Neither could I....
 
  • #940
I feel the lack of evidence suggests even more the involvement of someone else, this dude has made no attempts to cover his own tracks, hide himself from being sighted, moved her in broad daylight, abandoned everything at the disposal site.
but yet someone has gone to great lengths to hide her belongings & her phone/fitbit etc & managed to remove everything & anything that could be brought forward as evidence.

It just doesn't make sense, if we are believe that he is below average intelligence and has the mind of a child.
 
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