Found Deceased UK - Lindsay Birbeck, 47, Accrington, 12 Aug 2019 *Arrest* #4

[SpursGyal]

I don't think he killed her. I still think it's the ex behind it all. I think he is likely to be protecting a family member who did the killing for money promised by the ex of LB.

One thing I noticed is that ZB hasn't positively ID'd the defendant as being the guy who she saw on the coppice.

I also don't believe LB was taken to the cemetery on the 17th.. I think it was more like the 20th/21st. I think she was well hidden where she was to start. In the bin on the coppice or behind her house somewhere. The vegetation found under her body is likely from the coppice but was pulled out by hand between the 20th and 23rd.

I'm just not believing he did all this by himself. He was clever enough to get rid of her clothes, phone, keys, fitbit.. but left the saw, her shoes and gloves in the cem grounds where she buried..

We see him move the bin to the cemetery? I don’t believe he moved the bin after that fact.

 

[SpursGyal]

I have seen a report somewhere about Preston going into lockdown tonight ?

Yes, from midnight, you cannot mix two households inside private homes and gardens. Judge confirmed this week the trial would proceed as normal.

 

[Emmalt]

We see him move the bin to the cemetery? I don’t believe he moved the bin after that fact.

We only have his word to say she was in the bin on the 17th when he took it to the cemetery.. is that to agree to what the police believe happened? To avoid further searches etc.. different timelines etc? Where potentially another suspect could be found?

If she was in the cemetery at that time a lot of people with dogs, walkers, workers, police and police dogs who all went to the bin area missed her body that had been there for 3-7 days? Didn't notice a mound of soil looking oddly shaped.. didn't smell anything?

The fact she had vegetation under her body that was likely from the coppice as opposed to the cemetery and had been pulled by hand 3-5 days prior to her body being there... that suggests he has taken her out after the 17th... put vegetation from other areas under her and put her back on top of it? Doesn't make sense..

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[SpursGyal]

But the bin did not come out of the cemetery after that date, and each time he went in he wasn’t taking a bin? We know through DNA and his statement that she was in that bin.

 

[Emmalt]

Have u all seen the asda cctv of her? I think it looks very masculine

 

[SpursGyal]

Yes, the image is one still from a moving video. The police have seen the video, she was there with her daughter I believe.

 

[sunflower22]

We only have his word to say she was in the bin on the 17th when he took it to the cemetery.. is that to agree to what the police believe happened? To avoid further searches etc.. different timelines etc? Where potentially another suspect could be found?

If she was in the cemetery at that time a lot of people with dogs, walkers, workers, police and police dogs who all went to the bin area missed her body that had been there for 3-7 days? Didn't notice a mound of soil looking oddly shaped.. didn't smell anything?

The fact she had vegetation under her body that was likely from the coppice as opposed to the cemetery and had been pulled by hand 3-5 days prior to her body being there... that suggests he has taken her out after the 17th... put vegetation from other areas under her and put her back on top of it? Doesn't make sense..

Plus there is further footage from elsewhere that can't be made public now until after the trial that I have seen... and that was on the 20th. And I believe it is relevant to the investigation

Why can’t any other footage be made public? Is this footage been used in the case?

 

[sunflower22]

Have u all seen the asda cctv of her? I think it looks very masculine

No. Was this released? I’ve not seen it.

 

[ChloLo]

It’s definitely her in the cctv from Asda. Or is the suggestion that her own daughter is lying?

 

[Kikicatfood]

Have u all seen the asda cctv of her? I think it looks very masculine

OMG! I think I am on the same wavelength as you. Not sure about the Asda footage as I’ve not seen it but I have always thought that the cctv of LB walking up the street looks masculine and the hair looks like a wig. Also if you look at a close up of the face and the lines down the face I think it bears a striking similarity to someone connected to her in a wig (don’t think I’m allowed to say who)MOO

 

[Whitehall 1212]

I don't think he killed her. I still think it's the ex behind it all. I think he is likely to be protecting a family member who did the killing for money promised by the ex of LB.

One thing I noticed is that ZB hasn't positively ID'd the defendant as being the guy who she saw on the coppice.

I also don't believe LB was taken to the cemetery on the 17th.. I think it was more like the 20th/21st. I think she was well hidden where she was to start. In the bin on the coppice or behind her house somewhere. The vegetation found under her body is likely from the coppice but was pulled out by hand between the 20th and 23rd.

I'm just not believing he did all this by himself. He was clever enough to get rid of her clothes, phone, keys, fitbit.. but left the saw, her shoes and gloves in the cem grounds where she buried..

The circumstantial evidence that the defendant is solely responsible for the death LB is overwhelming.

There is absolutely no evidence for your assertions and criminal cases are not built on rumour, hearsay and gossip.

Just because the police have not released the thousands of hours of CCTV evidence to the public, which incidentally would breach data protection legislation, does not mean there is a flawed police investigation or some kind of police conspiracy with persons unknown.

The undercurrent of this tragic death being engineered in some way and the defendant being the fall guy is not built on any objective, evidence based analysis.

These type of unevidenced theories are a distraction from genuine discussion on the motives, MO and evidence brought before the Court and appear to be based on a degree of misandry and a failure to accept that youths of 16 with special needs can not form the intent to kill and perform the most dreadful acts.[/QUOTE]

 

[PiggyStardust]

It will be interesting how much emphasis the perps team put on the mysterious stranger defence.

Over a few socially distanced pints last night in a pub near Accy Stanley me and my buddies tossed it around and came up with these points to chew on.

Stranger murders Lindsay and conceals her body, conceals it so well that the searches organised by the groups of concerned citizens didn’t find her. No trace of him on the many surveillance cameras. He leaves no DNA or any other evidence.
All that points to a very clever and organised individual. A skilful assassin?

THEN

He accosts a callow mono syllabic youth and persuades him to dispose of his victim all the time concealing his face with his hood with a promise of payment to be delivered to the murder site some time in the distant future. I quote “Once everything was clear”

No No No a thousand times NO

 

[Mommysleuth11]

I followed the first trial but haven't commented for a while although have still followed the thread.

I think for me, the doubt seeps in simply because his defence, if not true is actually masterfully clever. In as such as, the police caution, "if you do not mention in questioning, something you may later rely on in court" but he did, he did mention in questioning what his defence would be and has absolutely unwaveringly stuck to it AND the police have not one shred of evidence to PROVE otherwise.

I'm 90% it was him and him alone, but because of how well his 'story' from the very beginning, fits the evidence that 10% is for me, reasonable doubt.

 

[MissUnderstood]

It's the lack of motive that worries me ..obviously if he did try for zoe first it may help the jury learn towards a sexual motive ...but with no forensics on the body or his underwear or internet history its weak

The pathologist says the neck injury was severe ...stood on or a knee type injury

It just has the feel of a quick killing for who knows what reason

the lack of motive is concerning. I’ve thought that it was sexually motivated but it didn’t get to that as he was interrupted by the dog walkers. I think he heard them and put his foot on Lyndsays throat to keep her quite and the force was so great she died then. Moo

 

[JosieJo]

The massive problem is most people would agree he likely killed her ...but its proving it in court
The perpetrator does not have to prove the stranger exists or any other part of his claims ..the prosecution have to prove he killed her ....and imo they cant conclusively

Unless the prosecution can 100% say noother person went onto that coppice ....which they cant ...its difficult

I still cant understand why he didn't jump at manslaughter...with a possible life sentence already on the cards

 

[Emmalt]

But the bin did not come out of the cemetery after that date, and each time he went in he wasn’t taking a bin? We know through DNA and his statement that she was in that bin.

I think she was in the bin at the coppice which explains her dna being present in the bin but possibly taken out again and brought to the cemetery later than the 17th by another means... that would explain the reason no one found her despite many dog walkers, police and police dogs seeing the bin but didnt find her not far from it and would also explain vegetation from the coppice under her in the 3 to 5 day estimate the botanist gave. Just because he has admitted to her being in the bin and taken to the cem that day doesnt mean its true.. it may be another way to stop the police searches and to avoid a further suspect being found. MOO.

 

[Emmalt]

It’s definitely her in the cctv from Asda. Or is the suggestion that her own daughter is lying?

It's not unheard of? Definately a possibility although unlikely I wouldn't rule it out. MOO

 

[Roostercat]

I think the fact she’s a gym goer, and sees him and others Of various abilities there a lot, while she can’t say the exact weight, she will have a fair idea of what he’s lifting, enough to be surprised.

Imo, I just don't think she is all that credible, I would feel much more comfortable with this had it been a professional in that field, gym instructor or personal trainer.

 

[Jartykarate]

I think she was in the bin at the coppice which explains her dna being present in the bin but possibly taken out again and brought to the cemetery later than the 17th by another means... that would explain the reason no one found her despite many dog walkers, police and police dogs seeing the bin but didnt find her not far from it and would also explain vegetation from the coppice under her in the 3 to 5 day estimate the botanist gave. Just because he has admitted to her being in the bin and taken to the cem that day doesnt mean its true.. it may be another way to stop the police searches and to avoid a further suspect being found. MOO.

The media released video of the youth pulling the bin never struck me as having the weight of a body in it, i just don’t think you could pull it facing forwards in that fashion.

It’s always been in my mind that the bin was used for concealment but not for transport, and I think a vehicle may have been used somewhere.

The way the pulling of the bin was done in broad daylight lends me to believe this was a diversion tactic in some way.

The mystery Hooded English speaking man is obviously nonsense, but I do think someone else he knew is involved either during or after the act.

 

[Rosegold68]

So if this man who offered him money hadn’t happened upon him at that point......who would have been disposing of her?? Was it some kind of test to get him to ‘prove’ himself? Someone from within the defendants community/circle thinking because he has some special needs he won’t ever be a proper ‘man’? This is my theory and the gym going backs it up

my opinion is also that LB was taken as a female was needed for him to sexually assault to also ‘prove’ himself. He maybe failed at that but so it descended quickly and he silenced her......’ok,so we’ve now got a body on our hands, dispose of and prove yourself worthy this way’

I feel it was a 2 maybe 3, person job. I don’t think he acted alone but his community would expect him to remain quiet now, which he is

my opinion only