Found Deceased UK - Lindsay Birbeck, 47, Accrington, 12 Aug 2019 *Arrest* #4

[PiggyStardust]

Doesn't look empty to me the way it is swaying .
Lindsay Birbeck: Police release CCTV footage of suspect

Gym bunny, weight lifter with strong wrists controlling the oscillation.

Strong wrists....go figure.

 

[Whitehall 1212]

The media released video of the youth pulling the bin never struck me as having the weight of a body in it, i just don’t think you could pull it facing forwards in that fashion.

It’s always been in my mind that the bin was used for concealment but not for transport, and I think a vehicle may have been used somewhere.

The way the pulling of the bin was done in broad daylight lends me to believe this was a diversion tactic in some way.

The mystery Hooded English speaking man is obviously nonsense, but I do think someone else he knew is involved either during or after the act.

1. If the offender had a vehicle why would they take the risk of transporting a body, that had been decomposing for at least five days, a few hundred metres and burying it in a shallow grave in a public open space in an urban area. There are many less risky options ideally somewhat earlier in the timeframe.

2. The CCTV that recorded the defendant would just as likely have recorded other unusual/suspicious activity. In that event they would have been a line of investigation.

 

[Doris777]

Can anyone just think for a minute about the bin. It was empty when in the cemetery. Everyone said it was like new. No smell or anything. So when Lindsay was put in that bin she was firmly wrapped in plastic. What ever has been found with her would be in that plastic bag as well. There's been no mention of any grass or vegetation in the bin. Just DNA of Lindsay. So from what I can grasp is this... someone has killed her in the coppice, she's been stripped of her clothes and belongings. She's been then firmly wrapped in the plastic and put in the bin. Hidden then moved and buried. What ever was in that plastic has moved with her. It could possibly have lasted longer with it being in there with her. Hence the botonist saying 5 days before. I think u all need to look at that and think. Anyone who opened that bin has not once said there was a bad smell. Why...? Because she was wrapped up to well!

All my opinion of course

I still can't see how the trial will go though. I definitely think there to many unanswered questions

 

[Alyce]

Can anyone just think for a minute about the bin. It was empty when in the cemetery. Everyone said it was like new. No smell or anything. So when Lindsay was put in that bin she was firmly wrapped in plastic. What ever has been found with her would be in that plastic bag as well. There's been no mention of any grass or vegetation in the bin. Just DNA of Lindsay. So from what I can grasp is this... someone has killed her in the coppice, she's been stripped of her clothes and belongings. She's been then firmly wrapped in the plastic and put in the bin. Hidden then moved and buried. What ever was in that plastic has moved with her. It could possibly have lasted longer with it being in there with her. Hence the botonist saying 5 days before. I think u all need to look at that and think. Anyone who opened that bin has not once said there was a bad smell. Why...? Because she was wrapped up to well!

All my opinion of course

I still can't see how the trial will go though. I definitely think there to many unanswered questions

Good points Doris. The plastic does seem to have masked the smell, at least for a certain length of time - hence the police dog not being alerted, whereas Mr Ps dog was, a few days later.
So the same could be true for the vegetation and have preserved it to appear more recent that it was.

I also can't call it with this trial. Am very interested to see what the Defence line will be on Monday.

 

[SpursGyal]

Can anyone just think for a minute about the bin. It was empty when in the cemetery. Everyone said it was like new. No smell or anything. So when Lindsay was put in that bin she was firmly wrapped in plastic. What ever has been found with her would be in that plastic bag as well. There's been no mention of any grass or vegetation in the bin. Just DNA of Lindsay. So from what I can grasp is this... someone has killed her in the coppice, she's been stripped of her clothes and belongings. She's been then firmly wrapped in the plastic and put in the bin. Hidden then moved and buried. What ever was in that plastic has moved with her. It could possibly have lasted longer with it being in there with her. Hence the botonist saying 5 days before. I think u all need to look at that and think. Anyone who opened that bin has not once said there was a bad smell. Why...? Because she was wrapped up to well!

All my opinion of course

I still can't see how the trial will go though. I definitely think there to many unanswered questions

Couldn’t agree more.
I’d like it twice if I could.

 

[Emmalt]

1. If the offender had a vehicle why would they take the risk of transporting a body, that had been decomposing for at least five days, a few hundred metres and burying it in a shallow grave in a public open space in an urban area. There are many less risky options ideally somewhat earlier in the timeframe.

2. The CCTV that recorded the defendant would just as likely have recorded other unusual/suspicious activity. In that event they would have been a line of investigation.

<modsnip: Removed rude and personalizing comment> How far back would they have looked on cctv prior to her disappearance? The week before, the day before, the morning of, the hour(s) before? There is no exact time or date of death, the decomposition of her seems to be that she died close to when she disappeared.. but could she have possibly been murdered earlier than the 12th? That is IF the cctv images are not her and have been staged by another person/s?

 

[Emmalt]

1. If the offender had a vehicle why would they take the risk of transporting a body, that had been decomposing for at least five days, a few hundred metres and burying it in a shallow grave in a public open space in an urban area. There are many less risky options ideally somewhat earlier in the timeframe.

2. The CCTV that recorded the defendant would just as likely have recorded other unusual/suspicious activity. In that event they would have been a line of investigation.

<modsnip: Removed rude and personalizing comment> How far back would they have looked on cctv prior to her disappearance? The week before, the day before, the morning of, the hour(s) before? There is no exact time or date of death, the decomposition of her seems to be that she died close to when she disappeared.. but could she have possibly been murdered earlier than the 12th? That is IF the cctv images are not her and have been staged by another person/s?

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[Doris777]

Good points Doris. The plastic does seem to have masked the smell, at least for a certain length of time - hence the police dog not being alerted, whereas Mr Ps dog was, a few days later.
So the same could be true for the vegetation and have preserved it to appear more recent that it was.

I also can't call it with this trial. Am very interested to see what the Defence line will be on Monday.

I do think it's masked alot. Ask anyone who's delt with a decomposing body and the will say the smell is the worse. So he must have done a good job for no one to have smelt it. Also I think the dog walked didn't even smell it because it was only when he stepped on her body when trying to get his dog away that he smelt something bad and noticed a leg. So this lad has done a good job of it to be honest. I just Wana know why and how he's done it! I dowt we will ever know the full story though

 

[SpursGyal]

<modsnip: Removed rude and personalizing comment> How far back would they have looked on cctv prior to her disappearance? The week before, the day before, the morning of, the hour(s) before? There is no exact time or date of death, the decomposition of her seems to be that she died close to when she disappeared.. but could she have possibly been murdered earlier than the 12th? That is IF the cctv images are not her and have been staged by another person/s?

I think it’s safe to be certain that she died on the 12th. They have the CCTV, and the visit to Asda collaborated by her daughter. CCTV stills, aren’t the clearest even in this day and age. Yet her family will have seen the videos likely to identify her. - Even if you think a certain ex member of her family could wish to stage, there are other members of her family and friends who would raise concerns of it not being her. They also have her phone and text conversations with others.

We also have the defendants statement.

I believe, but I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong... that police will check the CCTV they can for movements before the event incase a pattern/suspicious behaviour is alerted.

 

[Emmalt]

I think it’s safe to be certain that she died on the 12th. They have the CCTV, and the visit to Asda collaborated by her daughter. CCTV stills, aren’t the clearest even in this day and age. Yet her family will have seen the videos likely to identify her. - Even if you think a certain ex member of her family could wish to stage, there are other members of her family and friends who would raise concerns of it not being her. They also have her phone and text conversations with others.

We also have the defendants statement.

I believe, but I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong... that police will check the CCTV they can for movements before the event incase a pattern/suspicious behaviour is alerted.

A few of her friends did comment on the 4.06pm cctv image of her stating it didn't look like Lindsay.. and she looked somewhat different... depends who were verifying the cctv I suppose... surely they would only need confirmation from 1/2 people?

It's also not hard for someone to have Lindsays phone and message people up to the point of them wanting her to be confirmed missing. If that makes sense.

Got to remember her phone, keys, fitbit and all her clothing have not been found at all so they are hid pretty well I say..

So if the defendant is the killer why not hide the found items along with the other never found items.. why leave gloves, a saw and her shoes in the exact location her body is?

 

[SpursGyal]

A few of her friends did comment on the 4.06pm cctv image of her stating it didn't look like Lindsay.. and she looked somewhat different... depends who were verifying the cctv I suppose... surely they would only need confirmation from 1/2 people?

It's also not hard for someone to have Lindsays phone and message people up to the point of them wanting her to be confirmed missing. If that makes sense.

Got to remember her phone, keys, fitbit and all her clothing have not been found at all so they are hid pretty well I say..

So if the defendant is the killer why not hide the found items along with the other never found items.. why leave gloves, a saw and her shoes in the exact location her body is?

Text messages are easy to replicate, phone calls are not, I imagine they also have a wider picture of her movements in the days leading up to her disappearance.

Yes they have been, but I think I have already posted my theory on that further up. I believe at the point the CCTV was released he had help to clean up anything remaining. It was too late for the items in the cemetery.

Again the still are not the best quality, the video footage would have been better. They will always look different to the pictures of her released to the media, because they are posed pictures, in good lighting normally with her wearing make up.

I think if any of her close friends and family, remember she’s not just an ex wife but a daughter, auntie, sister, cousin ect, one of them would have raised concerns directly with the police.

 

[Emmalt]

Text messages are easy to replicate, phone calls are not, I imagine they also have a wider picture of her movements in the days leading up to her disappearance.

Yes they have been, but I think I have already posted my theory on that further up. I believe at the point the CCTV was released he had help to clean up anything remaining. It was too late for the items in the cemetery.

Again the still are not the best quality, the video footage would have been better. They will always look different to the pictures of her released to the media, because they are posed pictures, in good lighting normally with her wearing make up.

I think if any of her close friends and family, remember she’s not just an ex wife but a daughter, auntie, sister, cousin ect, one of them would have raised concerns directly with the police.

Has any phone calls been confirmed? I thought just messages etc.

How was it to late for the items in the cemetery to be removed? She was put there the 17th apparently.. he came back numerous days afterwards.. maybe every day, can't quite remember. The items in the skip weren't found until the 31st August or thereabouts... which is after the defendant was arrested.

Concerns about the cctv by friends and family may have been brought up, but if one of her children absolutely confirmed it was her.. would they question them?

We don't know circunstances surrounding her family and relationships with them but from 'hearsay' admittedly.. she didnt speak to her father for a number of years and her mother sadly passed away the year before.. I'm just not believing he murdered her.. not with the evidence they have anyway.

Apart from zb she is the only witness to seeing the boy that day and she hasn't positively ID'd him.. not that has been confirmed. No further sightings of him by witnesses

 

[SpursGyal]

Has any phone calls been confirmed? I thought just messages etc.

How was it to late for the items in the cemetery to be removed? She was put there the 17th apparently.. he came back numerous days afterwards.. maybe every day, can't quite remember. The items in the skip weren't found until the 31st August or thereabouts... which is after the defendant was arrested.

Concerns about the cctv by friends and family may have been brought up, but if one of her children absolutely confirmed it was her.. would they question them?

We don't know circunstances surrounding her family and relationships with them but from 'hearsay' admittedly.. she didnt speak to her father for a number of years and her mother sadly passed away the year before.. I'm just not believing he murdered her.. not with the evidence they have anyway.

Apart from zb she is the only witness to seeing the boy Wasthat day and she hasn't positively ID'd him.. not that has been confirmed.No further sightings of him by witnesses

Because by the time the CCTV was released of the defendant, her body had been found and the cemetery sealed off and guarded.

We do not know that she hasn’t positively ID’d him, we have small snippets of court reporting, we were told she was shown CCTV, would be a pointless remark, if she hadn’t said one way or another if it was him she saw.

You are of course entitled to believe it’s not Lindsay in CCTV, however with evidence from police I’m completely satisfied that it is.

 

[ChloLo]

I really don’t think her daughter is involved. It’s not beyond possibilities of course. But I don’t believe it.

Appearances can vary greatly between different cameras and angles etc. I know I can look completely different from different angles. So I do believe it’s her in the cctv.

I am also of the opinion that if the person who killed her (I believe it’s the defendant) had access to a vehicle, her body wouldn’t have be disposed of where it was.

He has concocted a story to cover the evidence the police have in the hope it will be enough and he’ll get away with it.

 

[Emmalt]

Doesn't look empty to me the way it is swaying .
Lindsay Birbeck: Police release CCTV footage of suspect

Gym bunny, weight lifter with strong wrists controlling the oscillation.

Strong wrists....go figure.

The cctv footage of him pulling the wheelie bin.. based on the date this was caight on cctv (published by granada reports) and the movements of the boy on cctv, plus the boys admittance to moving her to the cemetery on that day.. then it is to be believed she is in the bin at that time. Which i find truly disturbing. One at and watched it over and over again and it's heart breaking if that is the case

 

[Doris777]

Just a random thing of me trying to get into the lads mind. What ever has happened in the coppice I'm just wondering that when he's left on the 12th and been walking through the cemetery he's thought well this is the logical place people who are dead go so maybe I should put her in here somewhere. So he's been plotting it all alone and then he's found a day he could do it and done it using the bin. Hes taken her in the bushes and seen there was already a hole there so thought ok she's going in there and covers her up the best way he can and leaves with the impression he's done him job now... hence why I'm thinking shows and saw in the skip! If my a small chance it's what he's been told to do my the mystery man. This would way up to what his school said about him being practical and when he's got in his head to do it he will do it! But then that leads to someone must have known how he is to take advantage of his disabilities. I honestly would love to know what is going through his head!

 

[Doris777]

The cctv footage of him pulling the wheelie bin.. based on the date this was caight on cctv (published by granada reports) and the movements of the boy on cctv, plus the boys admittance to moving her to the cemetery on that day.. then it is to be believed she is in the bin at that time. Which i find truly disturbing. One at and watched it over and over again and it's heart breaking if that is the case

She wasn't in the bin in the CCTV. As heartless as some reporting is they wouldn't do that. It was the same day when he was walking up to the coppice before he went to put her in the bin. The same day she went missing.

This is how the have confirmed the clothes he wore ect with that of Zoe.

 

[Legally Bland]

She wasn't in the bin in the CCTV. As heartless as some reporting is they wouldn't do that. It was the same day when he was walking up to the coppice before he went to put her in the bin. The same day she went missing.

This is how the have confirmed the clothes he wore ect with that of Zoe.

I don't want to post the CCTV as that would identify him, but he's walking away from the coppice towards the corner of Burnley Road and Whitewell Road.

 

[Sillybilly]

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