Found Deceased UK - Lindsay Birbeck, 47, Accrington, 12 Aug 2019 *Arrest*

[Whitehall 1212]

Is it really likely that five days after the first missing report, someone would wheel a body in a bin in broad daylight along a busy road, which is likely to have CCTV in residential properties, vehicle dashcam and in an area where there has been a great deal of LE and neighbourhood activity and also with no attempt to disguise themselves or their forensic 'fingerprint'?

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MOO

 

[SpursGyal]

I'm just trying to work out which of the following is most likely as regards wheelie bin guy pulling the bin down Burnley Road on 17 August:

1. He is the murderer and is taking the bin to the cemetery.

2. He knows the murderer and what he/she has done and is helping them out by taking the bin to the cemetery.

3. He is taking the bin to the cemetery for the murderer but has no idea what has happened or what is in the bin.

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My guess would be 3.

Could be taking the bin to another location? for someone, but at that point it has not been used? - All the locations of interest seem in a small area.

 

[WiseOwl]

Could be taking the bin to another location? for someone, but at that point it has not been used? - All the locations of interest seem in a small area.

Possibly, but wouldn't that mean the bin would be empty? I think it looks heavy the way he's pulling it on the CCTV footage.

 

[Amonet]

Perhaps LE was quick to report strangulation as COD because some kind of ligature was used and left in place? MOO

Have police directly used the word 'strangulation'?

 

[Joolz1975]

Have police directly used the word 'strangulation'?

Don't think so.

Edited think official cause was compression of the neck but some media outlets do say strangulation..suppose it's the most obvious one but if someone was say stamped on at the neck that would be compression also (sorry bit graphic)

 

[CharlestonGal]

I would agree with this, I don't think a 16 year old would randomly strangle a middle aged woman, conceal a body, and then move it, alone.

You never know. The lad could be very unwell and capable of any manner of odd behavior. IMO

 

[SpursGyal]

Don't think so.

Edited think official cause was compression of the neck but some media outlets do say strangulation..suppose it's the most obvious one but if someone was say stamped on at the neck that would be compression also (sorry bit graphic)

Compression of the neck.

 

[WiseOwl]

Don't think so.

Edited think official cause was compression of the neck but some media outlets do say strangulation..suppose it's the most obvious one but if someone was say stamped on at the neck that would be compression also (sorry bit graphic)

Compression of the neck by ligature is another possible cause of death.

 

[CharlestonGal]

Compression of the neck by ligature is another possible cause of death.

I'm not sure how "compression of the neck" is defined across the pond. Here in the US that expression could likely mean literal compression of the neck, such as by a knee or a foot - we'd likely call that suffocation.

In the US when we use the word "strangulation" it generally means manual strangulation with the hands or a ligature of some type.

I don't know how "compression of the neck" is interpreted in the UK.

 

[Joolz1975]

Compression of the neck by ligature is another possible cause of death.

Think compression of the neck probably covers a few possible causes could be any of them I suppose.

 

[Dcflag]

Late to the party, reading through this thread a lot of people have touched on my own personal theories also.

Just MOO but I'm thinking there will be an extension tomorrow, I'm wondering if there's attempts at a deal to give up other involved persons. For me it seems like the current arrested suspect is merely a small part. I'd be more inclined to look at any links from him and his family, see if there's any ties. It just doesn't feel random to me. Even a tenuous link should be considered.

I completely agree with the Ian Huntley vibes also.

The discussion regarding the CCTV footage and whether the boy knew the contents of the bin, assuming it was sadly Lindsay < modsnip> I thought it would be worth mentioning that we are currently unaware of the events between her last sighting and this CCTV footage. A few people have mentioned smells, but there is nothing to say she hadn't been still alive the morning before.

I'm also interested in the really small area. Especially the police presence currently. It certainly seems to me there is a train of thought there that the small area is relevant and that she didn't go far. I especially think it's interesting she was last seen heading in a very similar direction to the boy in the CCTV footage which ties into the small area.

Just my own observations and opinions of course.

 

[CharlestonGal]

Have police directly used the word 'strangulation'?

"On Tuesday, Lancashire Police officially confirmed her identity and said a post-mortem examination showed she died as a result of compression of the neck, or strangulation."

That's the best I could do.

Missing teacher assistant found 'strangled to death' in cemetery | Metro News

 

[WiseOwl]

Think compression of the neck probably covers a few possible causes could be any of them I suppose.

Very true but as you said earlier some of the MSM were saying strangulation - probably just their own interpretation i guess.

 

[Dcflag]

I wonder if there's an "official" term that encompasses all kinds of strangulation/compression/ligatures etc. That could be where there is some confusion. Compression of the neck could very well be an umbrella term.

 

[Skigh]

I wonder if there's an "official" term that encompasses all kinds of strangulation/compression/ligatures etc. That could be where there is some confusion. Compression of the neck could very well be an umbrella term.

I just googled it and one cause of compression of the neck was hanging.

 

[WiseOwl]

I just googled it and one cause of compression of the neck was hanging.

That would be classed as a ligature.

 

[CharlestonGal]

Have police directly used the word 'strangulation'?

Another one:

"A post-mortem examination showed the teaching assistant, from Huncoat, near Accrington, died as a result of compression of the neck, also known as strangulation."

Teenage Boy Arrested On Suspicion Of Murdering Teaching Assistant Lindsay Birbeck - feedimo

And another:

"Detectives said she had been strangled."
Lindsay Birbeck: Teenager arrested on suspicion of murdering teaching assistant

 

[WiseOwl]

This was from the Lancashire News 27 August:

Lancashire Constabulary has today (August 27) confirmed that the body found at Accrington Cemetery at the weekend is that of missing teaching assistant Lindsay Birbeck.

Police say a post-mortem examination has been conducted and shows that Lindsay died as a result of compression of the neck.

No mention here of strangulation.

 

[Amonet]

Another one:

"A post-mortem examination showed the teaching assistant, from Huncoat, near Accrington, died as a result of compression of the neck, also known as strangulation."

Teenage Boy Arrested On Suspicion Of Murdering Teaching Assistant Lindsay Birbeck - feedimo

And another:

"Detectives said she had been strangled."
Lindsay Birbeck: Teenager arrested on suspicion of murdering teaching assistant

The 'also known as' made me think that the 'strangulation' part didn't come directly from police but was the media interpretation, leaving open the exact nature of the method used.

 

[CharlestonGal]

This was from the Lancashire News 27 August:

Lancashire Constabulary has today (August 27) confirmed that the body found at Accrington Cemetery at the weekend is that of missing teaching assistant Lindsay Birbeck.

Police say a post-mortem examination has been conducted and shows that Lindsay died as a result of compression of the neck.

No mention here of strangulation.

Any way you look at it, it seems Lindsay lost her life due to respiratory compromise. By whatever means.