GUILTY UK - Logan Mwangi, 5, found dead in Wales River, Bridgend, 31 July 2021 *arrests, inc. minor* #5

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From the small amount we have heard, I am not overly impressed. Starts off slating the Prosecution for cherry picking which parts of the evidence they want to show and then does the same himself. Completely glossed over the lights and curtains :rolleyes:
 
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10:54Philip Dewey

'You cannot allow emotion to dictate your evaluation of the evidence'

The trial resumes.

Peter Rouch QC, for Williamson, begins his closing speech.

He says cases involving the death of a child are “emotive” but said the jury were the “sole judges” of the evidence and it’s up to them to accept or reject the evidence.

Mr Rouch said: “What you can’t do is blindly accept evidence and you can’t simply dismiss evidence without carrying out a property appraisal and serious consideration of it and you cannot allow emotion to dictate your evaluation of the evidence however difficult that may be.

“What you have to be is clinical in the way you approach your job. The only way justice can be done is to approach the evidence in a dispassionate and objective, cool and calculated way. You have to look at the evidence forensically…..

“You are judges in this case and everyone agrees judges, from umpires and referees upwards, have to approach their task in a fair, balanced, evenhanded and objective way……..

“It’s not an easy task because we are dealing with the killing of an innocent five-year-old little boy.

“The prosecution has to prove its case so the prosecution has to present it and starts with the prosecution opening their case to you and tell the jury what their case is all about.

“The problem is the prosecution can tell you what their case is about one aspect of the case or evidence and the prosecution can tell you on the evidence they rely in relation to the aspect. There is the danger your judgement is thereafter completely clouded and jaundiced.”



Logan Mwangi murder trial jury hears closing speeches


Errrrr say what?? o_O
 
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Are they just having a break? Perhaps AW is sobbing too much so a break was needed for new tissues.
 
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Are they just having a break? Perhaps AW is sobbing too much so a break was needed for new tissues.


Could be, if she's gone down the hysterical route again - the WalesonLine reports are slow today so am expecting a few more
 
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11:34PHILIP DEWEY
He also said witnesses had described Williamson as crying, hysterical, distraught, heaving and vomiting.
The barrister said: “You can’t fake that, members of the jury.”

That's not the point though. She would have been genuinely stressed out by everything that had happened. That doesn't prove her innocence.
 
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What do you mean FINISHED???
I thought he was warming up.

:D

Not sure Dotta - he's only done just over one hour. I would not expect Counsel to take a break after such a short time during the Closings. It is practically unheard of. But it could be, as Skigh said, if AW has needed a top up with the tissues
 
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Could be, if she's gone down the hysterical route again - the WalesonLine reports are slow today so am expecting a few more


Her defence surely cannot expect the jury to be convinced about how genuine AW's behaviour on the body cam was after watching her performances in court through out the trial.
 
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That's not the point though. She would have been genuinely stressed out by everything that had happened. That doesn't prove her innocence.

And also - you definitely can fake it
 
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That's not the point though. She would have been genuinely stressed out by everything that had happened. That doesn't prove her innocence.


Exactly - being distressed does not equal innocent - and some people are very very good at putting on a show.
 
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He used a bunch of words, over and over, and it didn’t make any sense to me. I think he was struggling to find anything to say in her defence and all he could manage was to stretch one point to 7 minutes
 
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AW lawyer says to not let emotions dictate the jury deacions.

Then in his next breath appeals to jury's emotions by saying that AWs been so upset and it's real tears, saying how 'broken' she is and talking about her seizures
 
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He used a bunch of words, over and over, and it didn’t make any sense to me. I think he was struggling to find anything to say in her defence and all he could manage was to stretch one point to 7 minutes
He'd have to be very creative to produce a convincing speech to prove AW's innocence!
 
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And also - you definitely can fake it
Maybe not the vomiting. I'm sure they would notice if she'd stuck her fingers down her throat.
 
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He used a bunch of words, over and over, and it didn’t make any sense to me. I think he was struggling to find anything to say in her defence and all he could manage was to stretch one point to 7 minutes


I agree. A complete word salad.
 
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Maybe not the vomiting. I'm sure they would notice if she'd stuck her fingers down her throat.

If you're upset enough you can be sick. Even if the upset is brought on yourself....
 
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What do you mean FINISHED???
I thought he was only warming up.

I'd definitely expect him to cover coercion/duress. Standard defence territory imo.
 
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