UK - Logan Mwangi, 5, found dead in Wales River, Bridgend, 31 July 2021 *arrests, inc. minor*

[LucyRocket]

All 3 were originally arrested for murder. They'll have been charged with that they can be based on the evidence they have. That head injury would be a bloody mess. To do what they've done, there is also a clean up that will likely have had to take place.

I just struggle to see a situation where JC has woken up the 13 year old child who isn't biologically his and they've gone along with this body disposal of their brother with no input from the mother. What 13 year old is going to remain calm with the back of their dead baby brothers head detached from the skull?

JMO.

BBM

Would it? I had imagined the detachment would be internal

 

[Newsjunkiejen]

Can it repair itself? I've never heard of such an injury and it sounds vile

I'm not sure if it can repair itself - maybe someone else who has more medical knowledge could advise?

It sounds absolutely horrific though. The only thing I can relate it to is when people used to be scalped by native tribes in years gone by. That was obviously different though as this is an internal injury and doesn't seem to have 'broken the skin'. Maybe from the outside it wouldn't have been visually apparent that this had happened to Logan, although I can't possibly imagine that anyone would be able to withstand an injury like that and just carry on without seeking medical treatment, let alone a small child (this is assuming his scalp injury WAS indeed a historic one).

 

[infinit]

BBM

Would it? I had imagined the detachment would be internal

I'm not a professional, but I've not heard of a scalp detaching from the skull where it doesn't physically tear away.

If you have the stomach, put "descalping" into Google Images..

JMO.

 

[LucyRocket]

WARNING GRAPHIC

I've done some online research and this is what I've found;

Scalp detaching from skull causes bleeding internally. Usually occurs by pulling of the hair, but can occur from an injury to the ear, where the area of scalp around the ear becomes detached from the skull. In cases where bleeding is seen externally, this is most often where the scalp is torn, such as from the hair being caught in machinery. I am imagining that you may see bleeding from the ear, if the injury has severed the ear canal.

All MOO from information gleaned in various online resources.

 

[infinit]

WARNING GRAPHIC

I've done some online research and this is what I've found;

Scalp detaching from skull causes bleeding internally. Usually occurs by pulling of the hair, but can occur from an injury to the ear, where the area of scalp around the ear becomes detached from the skull. In cases where bleeding is seen externally, this is most often where the scalp is torn, such as from the hair being caught in machinery. I am imagining that you may see bleeding from the ear, if the injury has severed the ear canal.

All MOO from information gleaned in various online resources.

Just read and found it's stated it was an internal injury, so please ignore me on that!

 

[Cherwell]

I just struggle to see a situation where JC has woken up the 13 year old child who isn't biologically his and they've gone along with this body disposal of their brother with no input from the mother. What 13 year old is going to remain calm with the back of their dead baby brothers head detached from the skull?

Just for accuracy:
1. We do not know how JC is related to the 13 year old child, but it's most likely they are father and son.
2. Logan and the 13 year old were not brothers. Not even step-brothers.

 

[Newsjunkiejen]

I'm not a professional, but I've not heard of a scalp detaching from the skull where it doesn't physically tear away.

If you have the stomach, put "descalping" into Google Images..

JMO.

I believe this may be what happened to Logan . This is JMO.

It does mention that it was an internal injury with internal bleeding. I suppose outwardly it may appear that nothing was wrong, in terms of blood.

Regardless of whether he had apparent injuries that could be easily detected by looking at him, the pain he was in would've surely made it evident to those around him.

Teacher in China ‘scalped boy after pulling his hair as punishment for talking’

 

[Lucy6226]

There's a lot of judgement on this thread regarding single parents and their relationships. We have no idea how involved any of the partners were with Logan. The last one didn't even live with them by all accounts. Hindsight is wonderful, but let's not tar everyone with the same brush! I know women who've had the same abusive relationship throughout their child's upbringing and then women who've had multiple relationships that obviously they thought would work out, introduced the children and then sadly things didn't go to plan, then after a few of these they settled and found Mr. Right and lived very happily after. *Obviously this applies to all genders

 

[JuicyLucy]

I'm surprised she hasn't been charged with this offence, and being as she hasn't, the only reason I can think is that BOTH 1. There were no previous documented concerns and 2. It has not yet been possible to prove that she likely knew of the abuse/assault

Or she's done a deal?

JMO

 

[LucyRocket]

Just for accuracy:
1. We do not know how JC is related to the 13 year old child, but it's most likely they are father and son.
2. Logan and the 13 year old were not brothers. Not even step-brothers.

2. Yes

1. I'm interested. How most likely? I understood it's most likely he isn't

 

[LucyRocket]

Or she's done a deal?

JMO

I don't understand what that means

 

[LucyRocket]

I don't understand what that means

Ohhhh, yes I do. Does that happen in UK courts?

 

[ChloLo]

Ohhhh, yes I do. Does that happen in UK courts?

Not really. It could of course, but I don’t think it’s common.

 

[ChloLo]

So I agree with the comments regarding Logan’s injuries, I think he was pulled/dragged by his hair/ears/head at least once and that’s how he sustained the scalp injury. I wonder if once it had started to detach, then any further blows may have increased the detachment.

Based on the titbits of information that have been confirmed, it’s really difficult to comment much. Because there is just so much we don’t know.

From what I can find I am beginning to wonder if Logan even met his biological father.

 

[JuicyLucy]

Ohhhh, yes I do. Does that happen in UK courts?

I would have thought full and unfettered cooperation could go some way to talking the charges down, particularly if police are anticipating having difficulty evidencing the higher charge or think the suspect may do well in front of a jury. But IANAL.

 

[Mrs Marple]

Just horrible.

 

[Cherwell]

Just for accuracy:
1. We do not know how JC is related to the 13 year old child, but it's most likely they are father and son.

1. I'm interested. How most likely? I understood it's most likely he isn't

I gather that people have seen rumour and speculation on social media, but I have no way of knowing if any of this is informed knowledge. It just seems less likely that he would be involving someone else's child in his relationship with AW.

 

[Little Nicki]

Can it repair itself? I've never heard of such an injury and it sounds vile

I have no idea tbh. It happened about 25 years ago and details are hazy, she wasn't a friend of mine, just someone from my small welsh town.

 

[JosieJo]

Unless there are more charges to come I struggle with AW being present when her son was attacked. (Based on current charges)
A possible scenario that would fit the current charges is that the attack happened during the evening with AW being out.
On returning her son may have been unconscious or unfortunately already dead with her not finding him till later

 

[SpursGyal]

Unless there are more charges to come I struggle with AW being present when her son was attacked. (Based on current charges)
A possible scenario that would fit the current charges is that the attack happened during the evening with AW being out.
On returning her son may have been unconscious or unfortunately already dead with her not finding him till later

I thought they were in Isolation until the Saturday due to Covid? I’ll see if I can pull that.